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'The bastards got me, they won't get us all'
The Times ^ | November 24, 2006 | Richard Beeston

Posted on 11/23/2006 3:18:14 PM PST by MadIvan

The poisoned Russian spy breathed defiance at the Kremlin as the effects of a mystery cocktail pushed him to the brink of death.

“I want to survive, just to show them,” Alexander Litvinenko said in an exclusive interview just hours before he slipped into unconsciousness.

Too weak to move his limbs and visibly in great pain, the former Russian intelligence officer suggested that he knew that he may not win his struggle against the lethal chemicals destroying his vital organs. But he said the campaign for truth would go on with or without him.

“The bastards got me,” he whispered. “But they won’t get everybody.”

As he spoke, the former Kremlin bodyguard Andrei Luovoi, who has been accused of carrying out the poisoning, told The Times that he was not involved and was prepared to travel to London to prove his innocence.

Mr Litvinenko, 43, uttered his defiant words to Andrei Nekrasov, a friend and film-maker, who has visited him in University College Hospital in London every day this week. Mr Nekrasov described last night the extraordinary scenes in hospital, where one ward looks like a scene from The Godfather.

All visitors are screened and photographed by armed police officers. They are then ushered into a darkened room where Mr Litvinenko lies in excruciating pain.

“Sasha (Litvinenko) was a good-looking, physically strong and courageous man,” Mr Nekrasov told The Times. “But the figure who greeted me looked like a survivor from the Nazi concentration camps.”

Although he has seen Mr Litvinenko sometimes more than once a day, Tuesday was the last occasion on which his friend could communicate properly. Yet in some of his final remarks before losing consciousness, the former spy remained defiant in his battle against President Putin and the Russian security services.

He also managed a joke at his own expense, suggesting that his poisoning was proof that his campaign against the Kremlin had targeted the right people. “This is what it takes to prove one has been telling the truth,” he said.

He was referring to allegations he made in a book, The FSB Blows up Russia, which accuses the Russian security services of causing a seriesof apartment block explosions in Moscow in 1999 that helped to propel Vladimir Putin into the presidency the next year.

Mr Nekrasov revealed last night that Mr Litvinenko’s British citizenship had come through the last time they met, the day of a service at Westminster Abbey for Anna Politkovskaya, a journalist friend and critic of the Kremlin who was murdered in Moscow.

“We discussed the likelihood of another killing. Sasha warned me not to go back to Russia because it was too dangerous,” Mr Nekrasov said. “Very sadly he turned out to be the next victim, attacked in the perceived safety of Central London.”

On Wednesday night Mr Litvinenko suffered a heart attack. He is now unconscious on a life-support system.

Doctors continue to be baffled about what Mr Litvinenko ingested on November 1, at the first of two meetings with Russians. Geoff Bellingan, director of critical care at University College Hospital, said: “There was a dramatic deterioration in Alexander Litvinenko’s condition overnight and he is critically ill in intensive care.”

He said doctors were now convinced that the cause was not a heavy metal such as thallium, as originally suspected. Nor had he swallowed any mystery objects. “Radiation poisoning is also unlikely. Despite extensive tests, we are still unclear as to the cause.”

Andrea Sella, a chemistry expert at University College, said that every day made it more difficult to identify the poison. “They have to find some unspecified poison. They don’t know whether it is a single substance or a mixture,” Dr Sella said. Even if doctors can identify it, experts speculated that it could be too late to save Mr Litvinenko, more than three weeks after he was poisoned.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: assassination; chekist; evilempire; kgb; kgbputin; litvinenko; poisoning; putin; russia; uk; ussr
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To: MadIvan

RIP, Alexander.


21 posted on 11/23/2006 3:52:19 PM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: Txsleuth

Well, we also thought we got rid of the DemocRATs too. Look who is having a "meltdown" now. People need to learn to never give up. You can kill evil over and over and it will continue to come back.


22 posted on 11/23/2006 3:52:42 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (America! It's off with the desert BDUs and on with the lavender burqas!!!)
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To: MadIvan

RIP, Alexander Litvinenko. You are a voice of sanity trying to awaken the world to the true ongoing reality of the Soviet, er Russian, er post-Soviet regime of thugs and killers.

I am still mystified and bewildered by the warmth of some Bush comments for Putin. Yes, I can understand that diplomacy sometimes requires leaders to snuggle up to detestable leaders of other governments for "reasons of state" -- but President Bush has been much warmer than diplomacy requires, and how can anyone think they peer into Putin's soul and see such a good man???


23 posted on 11/23/2006 3:57:17 PM PST by Enchante (America-haters and Terrorists Around the World Embrace Chamberlain Democrats)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Boy is that right...unfortunately, we have the Islamofacists working against us....while the Russians have been under the radar (unless the CIA has been hiding stuff)..

Now, we really can't afford to be ostriches where Russia is concerned...

That is a whole lot of enemies...and with the exception of Australia, I don't know how many of our "coalition" we could count on being "with us" no matter the enemy.


24 posted on 11/23/2006 4:01:44 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: MadIvan

Seriously, we need James Bond and Felix Lighter to help us.


25 posted on 11/23/2006 4:02:04 PM PST by I_Love_My_Husband (http://community.livejournal.com/_2008_repubpres/profile)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Or Jack Bauer.

Breaking the hands (or other body parts) of some FSB / KGB thugs would be a step in the right direction.

Regards, Ivan

26 posted on 11/23/2006 4:04:31 PM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Txsleuth
You can find it at the link below. I thought this paragraph was interesting.

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The information that exists on ricin poisoning in humans is extremely limited. Much of what we know about ricin poisoning comes from animal studies and only a few human cases. However, enough information exists on ricin poisoning by ingestion (swallowing) to say that it is extremely unlikely that the onset of signs and symptoms of ricin poisoning by ingestion would occur more than 10 hours after exposure. Much less information exists on ricin poisoning by inhalation (breathing in ricin), but initial poisoning symptoms are very unlikely to begin more than 24 hours after exposure.

CDC: Questions and Answers about Ricin

27 posted on 11/23/2006 4:07:00 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: Txsleuth

It varies depending on how one is exposed. A fatal dose usually causes death within 72 hours. If you make it past that, you will likely live. The guess was thallium because it takes longer to act, and thus can hide exactly when/how it was administered.


28 posted on 11/23/2006 4:07:44 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: cowtowney
Putin is with O.J. out looking for the real murderers.
29 posted on 11/23/2006 4:07:56 PM PST by fish hawk
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I never believed it was dead in the first place, just shifting gears. The threat will now come from home grown communists, anyway.


30 posted on 11/23/2006 4:10:54 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER
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To: MadIvan; Tailgunner Joe; Jet Jaguar; AmericanInTokyo; TigerLikesRooster; tongue-tied; All

WHOA that Russia spy died


31 posted on 11/23/2006 4:12:48 PM PST by SevenofNine ("Step aside Jefe"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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To: MadIvan

I hope real freedom comes to Russia...real freedom of worship, commerce, speech.


32 posted on 11/23/2006 4:16:39 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

>>The threat will now come from home grown communists, anyway.<<

You got that right!


33 posted on 11/23/2006 4:18:16 PM PST by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: cowtowney

<< I wish. Unfortunately (President) Bush keeps pacifying Putin (despite that) Putin keeps stabbing him in the back. >>

Putin has all of the details at his fingertips of the massive blackmail of Cli'ton that was perpetrated by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service under boozing Boris Yeltsin and which resulted in Billions of Dollars in the form of IMF loans being paid to bail out Boris' brand-new Billionaire buddies whose looting of the former soviet treasury would otherwise have caused Russia's total economic collapse.

As was perhaps best illustrated by his grotesque rehabilitation of the execrable lying, thieving, mass-murdering, co-serial rapist Cli'tons, Mr Bush has enormous respect for the office of President of the United States and will do whatever is necessary to protect the prestige he sees as being attached to it. Mr Bush projects that respect upon Cli'ton, who quite clearly has none at all and whose very occupancy of that office was but incidental to whatever the Hell was going on at the end of his d**k at the time he occupied it.

The Russian blackmail thus reaches out and compromises and effectively corrupts its second administration. And Mr Bush keeps pacifying and shilling for Putin.

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Boris, Bill and Monica: trouble ahead for Hillary?

Dr. Jack Wheeler
BrookesNews.Com
Monday November 13 2006

Will the saga of the world’s most famous fellatrice return to haunt Hillary in 2008? There’s this fascinating whisper making the Washington rounds that says yes. While convoluted and circumstantial, a number of plugged-in Washingtonians believe it. The story starts with Boris Yeltsin who was President of Russia from its emergence after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991 to 1999. In October of 2000, part three of his autobiography was published, Midnight Diaries. In it, there was an astounding revelation:

That in “late 1996,” after Bill Clinton’s re-election in November, he (Yeltsin) received a highly classified report from his Foreign Intelligence Service (Russian acronym SVR, formerly a branch of the KGB). Russian intel had learned that the President of the United States was having an affair with an intern named Monica Lewinsky. This was over a full year before the world learned of the scandal via the Drudge Report internet website on January 19, 1998.

Lewinsky's first tryst with Clinton was in November 1995. Her last ones were March 28 and 29, 1997, as shown by White House Security logging her in to visit the Oval Office. In her testimony for Ken Starr’s Grand Jury, she told of a curious comment of Clinton's after she performed her services: that he was worried about a “foreign power listening in” to their activities and conversations. He was especially concerned about the many phone-sex conversations he had with her, calling her from the White House and Air Force One.

Somehow, it seems, Clinton had learned of Yeltsin’s SVR memo. Who told him? Suspicion has focused on a meeting in Moscow between Clinton confidante Strobe Talbot and Russian power-broker Anatoly Chubais on March 5, 1997 — three weeks before Clinton told Monica of his “worry.” Talbot was far more than just Deputy Secretary of State. A fellow Rhodes Scholar with Clinton at Oxford, he was one of Bill’s most closely trusted friends. Fluent in Russian, his contacts among the Russian power elite were deep. One of his best contacts was Anatoly Chubais. Yeltsin had placed Chubais in charge of the “privatization” program selling off Soviet state enterprises. It was a multi-multi-billion dollar scam, creating “oligarch” billionaires, of whom Chubais became one himself.

The scam, however, was threatened with exposure by the IMF (International Monetary Fund). By early 1997, Chubais’s looting of the Russian economy was so vast that a complete crash was imminent. A “rescue package” of billions in IMF loans was required to stave off disaster. The green eyeshades at the IMF examining Russia said no way, José. Chubais was desperate. Yeltsin told Chubais of the SVR memo. Chubais asked his buddy Talbot to come and see him in Moscow, where he explained that if the IMF loan wasn’t approved, he might not be able to keep the lid on Lewinsky. The President of the United States was being blackmailed.

Thus Larry Summers, Clinton's new Treasury Secretary, who had before was aghast at even the hint of approving IMF loans to Russia, suddenly began calling Chubais and his cronies a "Dream Team" for their "superb" job of running the Russian economy. The IMF loan was approved, the lid on Lewinsky kept on, and not until Linda Tripp taped her phone talks with Monica in November 1997 and Drudge got wind of it, did the scandal break. The IMF loan did its job, temporarily staving disaster off until August, 1998, when the Russian economy collapsed into almost total meltdown.

Now — what has all this to do with Hillary?

One of Hillary Clinton’s closest friends and traveling companions is a lady named Brooke Shearer. She retains her maiden name, for she is Strobe Talbot’s wife. She also just happened to be working at the White House in charge of the White House intern program. The thinking goes that it is inconceivable that Talbot would not tell his wife that one of her interns was fellating the president and being blackmailed by the Russkies for it — and that she would not tell Hillary.

One can easily imagine how explosively Hillary would have reacted, and how she would have demanded Bill cave to the Russian IMF demands. Thus her fingerprints would be all over a blackmail payoff of billions of American taxpayer dollars, and the resultant impoverishment of millions of Russians. She'll be questioned on this during her 2008 campaign — as she will on so much else. The Russian Blackmail story will be one of many skeletons lurking in her presidential wannabe closet. It’s yet another example of why so many Dems, desperate to recapture the White House, are so busy flogging alternatives to her.

Alternatives such as Barack Obama. That the Dems would hysterically hype a guy whose total national experience has been being a Senator for 21 months (since January 2005), and whose total real world business experience was working one single year for a company while in his early 20s (an entry-level job with the Business International Corporation), shows how terrified they are that Hillary will doom their White House dreams.

The Russian Blackmail scandal will make an interesting addition to the Democrats' Hillary Nightmare.

http://www.brookesnews.com/061311wheeler.html

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34 posted on 11/23/2006 4:25:15 PM PST by Brian Allen ("Moral issues are always terribly complex, for someone without principles." - G K Chesterton)
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To: bjs1779; visualops

Thank you both for the information re: ricin.

Since he supposedly would have been poisoned on Nov. 1st..ricin doesn't sound likely.


35 posted on 11/23/2006 4:30:22 PM PST by Txsleuth (Bolton/Cheney (that would be Lynne) 08)
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To: cowtowney
Here's the good news. Russia is losing 700,000 people a year. Ha Ha Ha.

Here's the bad news. Those that are left could be soulless oligarchs and Muslims...and the Chinese could take Siberia.

36 posted on 11/23/2006 4:31:36 PM PST by Sender ("Always tell the truth; then you don't have to remember anything." -Mark Twain)
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To: Txsleuth

That is what I was thinking too. It just brought to mind what they did to Georgi Markov. But you never know, they could of developed a "new time released formula" : )


37 posted on 11/23/2006 4:34:20 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: MadIvan

May he rest in peace...at least he went down fighting. Putin should be warned-what goes around comes around, and he's got some really bad karma coming his way.


38 posted on 11/23/2006 4:37:39 PM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: MadIvan

Our fearless leader on June 16, 2001: "I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country."


39 posted on 11/23/2006 4:47:50 PM PST by Salvey (ancest)
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To: MadIvan
I never trusted in the "reformed" Vladimir Putin.

Putin is "former" KGB.

That alone means he is untrustworthy and an enemy of all that is good and pure. That alone means he is a danger to all, especially Russia and Russians.

40 posted on 11/23/2006 4:50:33 PM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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