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Airline Safety in Post-9/11 America
The Oregonian ^ | November 23, 2006 | David Reinhard

Posted on 11/23/2006 2:57:07 PM PST by crazyhorse691

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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Does anyone know what is alarming about asking for a seat belt extension? I've been trying for days to figure that one out.

I've never seen a seatbelt extention, but what if it incorporated a buckle? Or if the strap were to be used for strangling?

These bastards were on a dry run.

21 posted on 11/23/2006 6:33:13 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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22 posted on 11/23/2006 6:35:32 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Oorang; mvpel

Thanks for your responses. I didn't realize that the extensions were useful as a weapon. Seemed to me that a belt with a large buckle would accomplish the same thing, yet those are not banned. Oh, well.


23 posted on 11/23/2006 6:37:06 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

Did you ever see a flight attendant demo a seat belt? That's the equivalent of a seat belt extension. They show you how to connect the two ends and pull tight. Put it around someone's neck, and .......


24 posted on 11/23/2006 6:38:43 PM PST by toldyou
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To: mvpel

Yep. An improvised weapon. Dry runs are occurring and few notice. Thank God for the passengers and crew of flight 300.


25 posted on 11/23/2006 6:59:36 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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Are all 6 still alive?


26 posted on 11/23/2006 7:04:48 PM PST by jocko12
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LOL!

I retired as a flight attendant for United a few years ago, and that's the only thing I could think of with them requesting seatbelt extensions. Never thought that we could have used them on unruly passengers. ;)


27 posted on 11/23/2006 7:12:35 PM PST by toldyou
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To: crazyhorse691

This topic came up at our Thanksgiving dinner table. A family member who is a flight attendant said that it is common on the long international flights she works on for a Muslim to pray. They will quietly get up during the flight, go to a galley or lavatory area out of the way of passengers and crew, and quietly kneel and say their prayers. It has yet to cause a problem because it is unobtrusive and the passengers generally don't even notice.

That situation is totally different from a large group who has already acted suspciously standing and audibly causing a commotion while the flight is preparing to depart. The response of the airline to the imams and the CAIR folks who claim they are insensitive and ignorant should be to say that they are not ignorant - they have Muslims say their prayers every day on their flights without anyone even noticing. These passengers were detained specifically because they did not act in the way passengers and crew expect Muslims to act when praying - they acted suspiciously, disturbed and unnerved passengers and crew, and caused a scene. That behavior should and will get you thrown off a commercial airplane regardless of your ethnicity or religion.


28 posted on 11/23/2006 7:27:59 PM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I hope your Thanksgiving was blessed and peaceful Aloha Ronnie.


29 posted on 11/23/2006 7:56:47 PM PST by Cindy
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NOT related to this incident being discussed on the thread...RECAP and STEPPING BACK IN TIME:


INTELLIGENCE-SUMMIT.blogspot.com (AKI/ASIAN AGE): New Delhi - "INDIA: AIRPORTS AND FLIGHTS TO U.S. ON HIGH ALERT" (November 13, 2006) (Read More...)



THE SUN.co.uk: "ASIANS THROWN OFF FLIGHT" by John Troup ad Tom Reilly (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The men -- in Islamic robes -- were arguing in a foreign language and then all went to the toilet, one after the other.") (November 10, 2006) (Note: This url may expire.) (Read More..._


stepping back in time...WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "SECOND PASSENGER SAW SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR" by Audrey Hudson (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The second passenger on Flight 327 said the men were "up and down the aisles of the plane the entire time," and that one of the men pushed other passengers as he rushed toward the front lavatory. She said the man did not appear to be ill, and remained in the lavatory during her entire meal. Mrs. Jacobsen said the Syrians consecutively filed in and out of restrooms, and stood during most of the flight. Just before landing, seven of the men jumped up in unison and left their seats. Upon returning to his seat, one man mouthed the word "no" as he ran his finger across his throat.") (July 29, 2004) (Read More...)
stepping back in time...JIHAD WATCH.org (WomensWallStreetJournal.com): "TERROR IN THE SKIES AGAIN?" ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The take-off was uneventful. But once we were in the air and the seatbelt sign was turned off, the unusual activity began. The man in the yellow T-shirt got out of his seat and went to the lavatory at the front of coach -- taking his full McDonald's bag with him. When he came out of the lavatory he still had the McDonald's bag, but it was now almost empty. He walked down the aisle to the back of the plane, still holding the bag. When he passed two of the men sitting mid-cabin, he gave a thumbs-up sign. When he returned to his seat, he no longer had the McDonald's bag. Then another man from the group stood up and took something from his carry-on in the overhead bin. It was about a foot long and was rolled in cloth. He headed toward the back of the cabin with the object. Five minutes later, several more of the Middle Eastern men began using the forward lavatory consecutively. In the back, several of the men stood up and used the back lavatory consecutively as well. For the next hour, the men congregated in groups of two and three at the back of the plane for varying periods of time. Meanwhile, in the first class cabin, just a foot or so from the cockpit door, the man with the dark suit - still wearing sunglasses - was also standing. Not one of the flight crew members suggested that any of these men take their seats.") (July 15, 2004) (Read More...)


MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch Series - No. 1326: "ISLAMIST WEBSITES MONITOR No. 9 - MUJAHIDEEN GATHER INFORMATION ON ANCHORAGE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The message gives directions for how to control the cameras and promises to provide links in the future for other airports as well.") (October 18, 2006) (Read More...)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com (WEEKLY STANDARD): "PRACTICE MAKES TERROR" by Daveed Gartenstein-Ross (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "In the case of airline alerts, some of these may in fact be true alarms. The suspects may be abetting a terrorist plot--yet catching and punishing them is difficult, since they're only probing defenses, not trying to bring down the flight.") (September 25, 2006) (Read More...)


THE TIMES OF INDIA: "'TERRORISTS COULD BE TESTING AIRLINE'" (September 17, 2006 (Read More...)



WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "AIRLINE-SECURITY INCIDENTS SEEN AS TERRORIST FEINTS" by Audrey Hudson) (September 4, 2006) (Read More...)

30 posted on 11/23/2006 8:14:29 PM PST by Cindy
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
Others have answered your question.

Another thing to remember is that your seatbelt is removable from its anchor. If your reach down and spread the two metal clips that "scissor" around the metal loop in the chair that anchors the belt, you can remove it.

I have thought the buckle end would make a suitable weapon if going up against highjackers trying to take over the plane.

31 posted on 11/23/2006 8:24:41 PM PST by HardStarboard (Give Pelosi and Reid Enough Rope to Hang Themselves.)
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To: Cindy

We need a return to Common Sense. To heck with common ground.


32 posted on 11/23/2006 9:50:58 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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"We need a return to Common Sense."

I agree.


33 posted on 11/23/2006 9:53:22 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Very interesting!


34 posted on 11/23/2006 10:09:57 PM PST by toldyou
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To: Cindy

.....and scary!


35 posted on 11/23/2006 10:11:10 PM PST by toldyou
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To: toldyou

Yep.


36 posted on 11/23/2006 10:43:17 PM PST by Cindy
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