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1 posted on 11/22/2006 8:16:38 PM PST by AdamSelene235
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Yesterday I read she shot them as they approached her house. Now it was when they came thru the door. If they found drugs, I would think they would know by now. Who was the guy they bought from?


2 posted on 11/22/2006 8:20:41 PM PST by CindyDawg
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"Dreher said suspected narcotics were recovered from the home but they are awaiting lab results to confirm the items are drugs."

After Ramparts, I'd bet money the cops realized their error and planted said evidence.

3 posted on 11/22/2006 8:23:57 PM PST by KantianBurke
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"the officers announced themselves"

If you are old, it's hard to understand bellowing through a door.

OPANNUPPOLEEEEZWIDAWARRRANNN then the door gets forced with a ram.

What a terrible thing.


4 posted on 11/22/2006 8:24:18 PM PST by DBrow
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Ya know, drugs are bad, and so are dealers, but this *No Knock* policy is costing too much in the way of innocent lives. It's not worth the cost of trying to get a dealer. I have my own opinions about what they should do with drug dealers but I'd probably get flamed for them. Suffice to say, if they bought drugs from someone there, they should have arrested him on the spot and confiscated what they found then. Then they can seal the place up and get a warrant to finish the search ASAP.


5 posted on 11/22/2006 8:24:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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They better have found a significant stash of hard drugs.


11 posted on 11/22/2006 8:30:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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"Police: Shooting Of Elderly Woman "Tragic, Unfortunate""

Duh! Ya think? Sheesh!


12 posted on 11/22/2006 8:31:58 PM PST by mutley
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This crap scares me more than a terrorist killing me. I really think we need to change our laws. The only no knock or kick down the down entry should be done if a murder suspect or hostage is inside or someones life inside is being threatned. Otherwise it is not worth dead innocent people, stomped kittens and shot dogs. I think this needs to be stopped.


16 posted on 11/22/2006 8:43:16 PM PST by therut
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Another casualty in the failed WOD. The only thing unusual about this is the age of the victim. Go WOD, go WOD, go WOD! More insane results from an insane undertaking.


24 posted on 11/22/2006 9:02:55 PM PST by 11B40 (times change, people don't)
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I hope that our new Democratic overlords have something more to offer our nation than urban riots.


26 posted on 11/22/2006 9:04:10 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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My first thought is:

For a 92 year old, she can shoot fairly well, 6 hits, not to bad at that age.(None of the officers seem to be seriously injured at least)

My second thought is that this is what happens when we train the police (and indeed act) SWAT team members.

And I did notice that "a car with police was parked out front, then several minutes later.."

so the police are in the habit of parking out in front of the residence for several minutes before they serve search warrants on drug suspects?

BS.
30 posted on 11/22/2006 9:10:25 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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Happens all the time. Cops kill a lot of innocent people.


37 posted on 11/22/2006 9:28:28 PM PST by ozzymandus
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I'm reserving judgement on this one. Too many unknowns.


43 posted on 11/22/2006 9:38:45 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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Ending drug prohibition would hugely decrease the violent crime problem. Then and only then may the drug use/abuse problem be honestly addressed.

Since 1990 tobacco use has dropped 50%. Tobacco, specifically nicotine is highly addictive. How was the decrease accomplished? Education.

Exposing the WOD Hoax -- WOP (War On People)

The New LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition) Promotional video:
"End Prohibition Now"


"Anyone concerned about the failure of our $69 billion-a-year War on Drugs should watch this 12-minute program. You will meet front line, ranking police officers who give us a devastating report on why it cannot work. It is a must-see for any journalist or public official dealing with this issue." -- Walter Cronkite  LEAP

"In four years we went from five founding police officers to a membership of over 5,000. We are no longer just police. Now LEAP is made up of police, parole, probation and corrections officers, judges, and prosecutors. We even have prison wardens, FBI and DEA agents who help make up our bureau of over 100 speakers. LEAP has members and supporters across the United States and in fifty-six other countries, which is fitting since U.S. drug policy has ramifications that affect the entire world.

"LEAP presents to civic, professional, educational, and religious organizations, as well as at public forums, but we target civic groups; Chambers of Commerce, Rotaries, Lions and Kiwanis Clubs, etc. The people in these organizations are conservative folks who mostly agree with the drug-warriors that we must continue the war on drugs at any cost. They are also very solid members of their communities; people who belong to civic organizations because they want the best for their locales. Every one of them will be voting in every election. Many are policy-makers and if they are not, they are the people who can pull the coat tails of policy-makers and say, "We have someone you must hear talk about drug policy."

"After making more than two-thousand presentations where LEAP calls for the government to "end prohibition and legalize all drugs--legalize them so we can control and regulate them and keep them out of the hands of our children," we have discovered that the vast majority of participants in those audiences agree with us. Even more amazing is that we are now attending national and international law-enforcement conventions where we keep track of all those we speak with at our exhibit booth. After we talk with them, only 6% want to continue the war on drugs, 14% are undecided, and an astounding 80% agree with LEAP that we must end drug prohibition. The most interesting thing about this statistic is that only a small number of that 80% realized any others in law enforcement felt the same.

"This also holds true for policymakers. In August 2005, five LEAP speakers staffed an educational booth at the National Conference for State Legislators in Seattle, Washington. We spoke with 450 of the 5,000 attendees on a one-on-one basis and 86% of them agreed that we should legalize drugs--only 4% wanted to continue the war and the other 10% were undecided. If we can show these legislators that they won't lose one more vote than they will gain by backing drug policy reform, they will end drug prohibition.

"The way to do that is to show them LEAP has a huge membership. By November 2008, we want to be able to say we have ten thousand members of law enforcement calling for an end to drug prohibition and a MILLION private citizens who agree this is the correct policy." -- About LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition


70 posted on 11/22/2006 10:28:29 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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In a no-knock raid on a private residence the police let a 92 year old woman get the drop on them and three officers are shot. Then they proceed to shoot her dead. If I were their superior I would roast these "officers" over a slow fire. There is just no excuse for this kind of incompetence. None.


101 posted on 11/22/2006 11:16:19 PM PST by claudiustg ("We are entering an era where when the speaker instructs you what to do, you do it.")
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Too bad she wasn't a better shot.


105 posted on 11/22/2006 11:33:12 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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Unfortunate indeed.
I'm for the 92 year old woman who was murdered with the full force and approval of the government, carried out by its armed branch, the police.

A person has a right and an obligation to preserve his/her life and that of family. Someone broke into her house. She used her right to self-protection, and was murdered.

The police and the government are saying this is too xxxxxxxing bad, but it was justified, legal, we did what we had to do, bla bla bla.
Wrong. This is legalized murder. The police involved need to be prosecuted for murder.


120 posted on 11/23/2006 6:20:45 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Fascism is wrong even if it's declared legal.)
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Unfortunate indeed.
This is the taking of an innocent life by an armed extension of the government.
She had a right to protect her life, but superior firepower defeated her.


121 posted on 11/23/2006 6:27:02 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Fascism is wrong even if it's declared legal.)
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Why didn't they just arrest the alleged dealer right on the spot when he made the alleged sale?

Seems to me that the police are really enjoying their new status as storm troopers.

123 posted on 11/23/2006 6:38:39 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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My brother is a Detective with APD. He works in fugative apprehension and serves warrants. I sat with the phone in my hand all Friday night thinking he might have been involved. When I finally got in touch with him yesterday he was at the scene but his team was not involved in this particular raid. The teams are just as sickened by this as you all are. It was a terrible tragedy. I asked him if they by chance had the wrong house and he said absolutely no. It is very common downtown for young junkies and dealers to hook up with the elderly and then use their homes for dealing, usually with the owner totally oblivious to the whole thing. These cops were not yahoos, they were veterans, they had been doing these kind of raids for years without incident. I am sickened by what happened, and yes maybe the way they go about serving the warrants isn't the best but that is the policy. The way we are fighting the war on drugs is stupid, it is a revolving door fight. Dealers and users do not see jail any real jail time. In fact they go to jail and rest before being released and getting back to business as usual. Do you all realize how much time is spent on murders because of the drugs, the ones that don't make the paper? Atlanta is whole different world, it's a cesspool. Nobody really cares until it moves into Buckhead and the Highlands, then everyone is all up in arms. The thought of that poor woman makes me cry, for her and the officers involved.


126 posted on 11/23/2006 8:17:51 AM PST by panthermom
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"They kicked her door down talking about drugs, there's no drugs in that house. And they realize now, they've got the wrong house," Dozier said. "I'm mad as hell."

She's already said she's getting an attorney. No doubt to file a wrongful death lawsuit. IF it turns out that the LEO's acted improperly, then I don't blame this woman for suing. I'm usually a pro LEO person, but I'm not so sure they were right in this one. Hopefully, they did everything by the book and can end this painful saga for her loved ones.

141 posted on 11/23/2006 10:20:09 AM PST by NRA2BFree (Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't!)
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