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Why I want the draft(Charlie Rangel)
New York Daily News ^ | November 22nd, 2006 | REP. CHARLES RANGEL

Posted on 11/22/2006 5:27:30 AM PST by kellynla

The question of whether we need a universal military draft will be important as long as this country is placing thousands of young men and women in harm's way in Iraq. As long as Americans are being shipped off to war, then everyone should be vulnerable, not just those who, because of economic circumstances, are attracted by lucrative enlistment bonuses and educational incentives. Even before the first bomb was dropped, before the first American casualty, I have opposed the war in Iraq. I continue to believe that decision-makers would never have supported the invasion if more of them had family members in line for deployment.

Those who do the fighting have no choice; when the flag goes up, they salute and follow orders. So far, more than 2,800 have died and 21,000 have been wounded. They are our unrecognized American heroes.

The great majority of people bearing arms for this country in Iraq are from the poorer communities in our inner cities and rural areas, places where enlistment bonuses are up to $40,000 and thousands in educational benefits are very attractive. For people who have college as an option, those incentives - at the risk to one's life - don't mean a thing.

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1 posted on 11/22/2006 5:27:31 AM PST by kellynla
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To: SandRat; freema

ping


2 posted on 11/22/2006 5:28:23 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: kellynla

Charlie continues to live in his "class-envy" fantasy world.


3 posted on 11/22/2006 5:28:52 AM PST by rhombus
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To: kellynla
I fought in Afghansitan - BME, MSME and MBA. I took a pay cut for year to be there. He can kiss my Slovakian @ss.
4 posted on 11/22/2006 5:29:20 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: kellynla

Sorry Charlie, your own party isn't going to even that that balloon go into the air.


5 posted on 11/22/2006 5:29:30 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: kellynla

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2407


Democrat Plan Summarized in One Word: Draft
by Scott Ott

(2006-11-20) — Rep. Charles Rangel, D-NY, yesterday unveiled the Democrat plan for boosting the minimum wage, providing free healthcare to millions more Americans, increasing college attendance, reducing greenhouse gas emissions and preventing future U.S. wars of aggression.

“Our plan is so simple and elegant that it can be stated in one word — draft,” said Rep. Rangel. “By implementing a military draft, we’ll provide a living wage and free healthcare to our new involuntary soldiers and their families, plus we’ll give them college money after their term of service.”

The New York Democrat, who has proposed a draft several times before, said taking many of the 18-to-26 year-olds off the nation’s highways will decrease the number of automobile fatalities and drastically reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The most crucial element of the Draft America Plan, he said, is creation of a huge military force comprised of less-motivated troops in case the president must decide whether to go to war with North Korea or Iran, or to expand the global war on terror in other lands.

“Right now, it’s the skill and passion of our all-volunteer force that gives George Bush the arrogance to challenge our enemies on their soil,” Rep. Rangel said. “With a military full of reluctant conscripts, Bush won’t be so cocky. We’ll be safer because, as we all know, when American troops stay home fewer terrorists are created.”


6 posted on 11/22/2006 5:31:14 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: kellynla
The great majority of people bearing arms for this country in Iraq are from the poorer communities in our inner cities and rural areas

This is his core argument.

Factually, it is demonstrably false.

Logically, if it were true it would still not justify a draft.

7 posted on 11/22/2006 5:31:38 AM PST by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: kellynla
Why I Want the Draft by Charles Rangel: "So we can say it's Bush's Fault."

That's it, plain and simple.

8 posted on 11/22/2006 5:32:44 AM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: rhombus; kellynla; 2banana; mware; HuntsvilleTxVeteran; wideawake
Charlie continues to live in his "class-envy" fantasy world.

If Rangel is so upset that the military, as it is, penalizes the poorer guys in our society and protects the richer kids from serving, let me ask a question.

Why doesn't wily old Charlie protest the efforts by liberal wackos to keep military recruiters off many prestigious university campuses where they could reach many of those "rich kids"?

Charlie is being a lying con artist on this.

9 posted on 11/22/2006 5:34:48 AM PST by beyond the sea ( Now that Pelosi Galore is in charge, it's never too late or early to start drinking.)
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To: kellynla

Charlie is more full of sh*t than tomorrow's Thanksgiving turkey.


10 posted on 11/22/2006 5:35:27 AM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: kellynla

Uh, Charlie, your plan was already brought up for a vote. YOU VOTED NO ON YOUR OWN BILL. Shut up already.


11 posted on 11/22/2006 5:35:29 AM PST by xjcsa (Stop global climate stagnation!)
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To: kellynla

Rangel--Another race-baiter/pimp, and a deluded Korean War Vet who should be seen by the VA for his mental problems: Racism, and the illusion that the Draft would solve any problem.


12 posted on 11/22/2006 5:36:02 AM PST by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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To: kellynla

did charlie ever say why he didn't want the draft in the 1960's?

SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS


13 posted on 11/22/2006 5:37:11 AM PST by ripley
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To: kellynla
I continue to believe that decision-makers would never have supported the invasion if more of them had family members in line for deployment.

While this is probably true, when in the history of this country has their even been a draft you couldn't buy, beg, or bum your way out of? Or is Rangel proposing a draft with zero exemptions? If not, all he's doing is drawing unwilling poor people into the meat grinder. How is that more fair?

Those who do the fighting have no choice; when the flag goes up, they salute and follow orders.

No one made them enlist, and stop-loss notwithstanding, no one keeps them in past the end of their contract. If you want to take the tax free reup money, it's your choice.

14 posted on 11/22/2006 5:37:43 AM PST by Steel Wolf (As Ibn Warraq said, "There are moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam.")
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To: Mannaggia l'America

How about the "Gays in the Military" question?

Wonder how that plays out when the draft is re-instituted.

And women...???

Draft them too?


15 posted on 11/22/2006 5:38:38 AM PST by joeystoy
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To: mkjessup
Charlie is more full of sh*t than tomorrow's Thanksgiving turkey.

We always use the 'bread-based' stuffing... :)

16 posted on 11/22/2006 5:39:31 AM PST by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: wideawake
Exactly right.

SHOW ME DATA.

Also, in a related story:

Ex-Military CEO’s Outperform S&P 500 Index
http://www.taonline.com/e-news/Employer_Insight_Issue3.asp#Article2

Kennedy's Executive Recruiter News reports companies helmed by CEOs with a military background have outperformed the S&P 500 Index by as much as 20% over the past three, five and 10-year periods, says a study by Korn/Ferry International. Military Experience and CEOs: Is There a Link? published by Korn/Ferry in cooperation with the Economist Intelligence Unit also finds that ex-military CEOs tend to last longer in the job, with an average tenure of 7.2 years, while CEOs without military experience have an average tenure of 4.6 years. In addition, the study finds that the 59 companies on the S&P 500 headed by ex-military CEOs provide an average annual shareholder return of 21% over the three year period ending September 2005, versus 11% for the S&P 500 Index during the same time. For a five-year period, the ex-military CEOs provided a 9.5% return while the Index provided a –10.7% return. For a ten-year period, the ex-military CEOs provided a 12.2% return versus a 9.4% return for the S&P 500 Index. Moreover, the study suggests that CEOs with military experience commanding deft management of stressful situations during military operations may well enhance performance in a corporate environment.

17 posted on 11/22/2006 5:40:35 AM PST by Eddie01 (please let me know if I missed anything)
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To: kellynla
Those who do the fighting have no choice; when the flag goes up, they salute and follow orders. So far, more than 2,800 have died and 21,000 have been wounded. They are our unrecognized American heroes.

Hey scumbag... the only ones that don't "recognize American heroes" are sorry ares twerps like you. NO ONE has forced any of these "heroes: to 'V~O~L~U~N~T~E~E~R'" to fight hence they DID and DO have a choice.

Rome's burning folks.

18 posted on 11/22/2006 5:41:04 AM PST by EndWelfareToday (Live free and keep what you earn.)
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To: kellynla

Beneath that painted on smile beats the heart of a flaming racist caught in a time warp.


19 posted on 11/22/2006 5:41:07 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: kellynla

Poor, old Charlie...off his meds...again. Nobody really takes this moron seriously, but, like Ronald McDonald, he has an audience to play to.


20 posted on 11/22/2006 5:41:16 AM PST by GoldenPup
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