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To: 2banana
1. You knew this was coming after gay-marriage was imposed by liberal judiciaries. They will use the exact same arguments.

Nah...long before that! This road started the moment government started butting into the personal religious concern known as marriage.

105 posted on 11/21/2006 4:48:26 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
This road started the moment government started butting into the personal religious concern known as marriage.

It was landmark U.S. Supreme Court precedent Reynolds v. United States in 1878 that made “separation of church and state” a dubiously legitimate point of case law, but more importantly; it confirmed the Constitutionality in statutory regulation of marriage practices.

(See also: Late Corporation of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints v. United States, 1890.)

No man can become a law unto himself under the guise of freedom of religion... Marriage is a religious rite, not a civil right...

"We have the right to regulate practice, not belief." (Reynolds)

153 posted on 11/22/2006 1:07:41 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Gondring; Campion; Tax-chick
It was the policy of the Catholic Church from the 18th century up until Vatican II to oppose civil marriage, period! The Church taught that faithful lifelong monogamy was God's design for the spiritual and social flourishing of the human family, and that the existence of civil marriage would imply the state's right to make and dissolve unions which ought not to "made" without God's blessing, nor "dissolved" as if they were mere contracts and not true acts of interpersonal union.

I think the Church has given that up as a political fight which could not be won; and concluded that for the non-religious, civil marriage was better than "nothing."

(I am not well-versed in this historic aspect, so somebody correct me if I'm wrong here.)

In some European and South American countries, rather than having the priest, minister, or rabbi act as a licensed witness for the state, they instead have two different marriages in two different places, one civil and another religious. I wonder if this isn't better, disentangling civil from religious marriage, inasmuch as the definitions of each are becoming more and more divergent.

196 posted on 11/24/2006 5:37:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Marriage fubar?)
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