Listen, Jesus Christ cannot be both an elder spirit brother of Lucipher (which makes Lucipher, BTW, an elder spirit brother of every human, too)--which is the LDS view--and be Lucipher's Creator, which is the Biblical viewpoint based upon John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1. He can't be both!!! It's a different Jesus (2 Cor. 11:3-4).
Likewise, Jesus can't be a mere organizer of matter that's been there for eternity (LDS view) vs. Being the one who created everything out of nothing (Heb. 11:3; John 1; Col. 1; Heb. 1).
Jesus can't be the one you can't pray to (LDS doctrine, which says we pray to Father thru Jesus) vs. being the One we pray to, which even the Book of Mormon supports (surprisingly!).
I can go on and on. At some point, we're talking about two different Jesuses. And that point, 2 Cor. 11:3-4 kicks in!!!
Try this one if you like Biblical versus so much...John 11:25-26. "WHOEVER believes in me". Not "Christians except those people out in Utah called Mormons who claim they are Christian but aren't really because the Catholic religion says they aren't". WHOEVER. Funny how that works. That's a contridiction to your quote I know.
Hey, bottom line on this objection of yours is that every one who calls himself Christian and is not a Mormon isn't necessarily a Christian, either. Not all Methodists are Christian. Not all Presbyterians are Christian. Not all Catholics...etc.
How can denominations that cannot even agree with each other or themselves make a judgement on an entire religion, that worships Christ, that they are not Christian? They cannot. No matter which definition is applied some Christian religion will be left out of Christendom.
Alright, now you are getting ridiculous. The Christian faith is a monotheistic faith. One God! That's it. We not only believe in one God, we don't believe a pantheon of gods exist.
Ask any Mormon. They will tell you they believe in one Godhead. But ask them to define that. They will tell you that Godhead is three separate gods, Father, Jesus, and Holy Ghost...and that many more gods exist than them (they just don't exercise faith in those gods. By definition, that is a polytheistic belief system.
Christianity, by definition, cannot be both a monotheistic and a polytheistic religion.
New Testament citations, please.
>> Listen, Jesus Christ cannot be both an elder spirit brother of Lucipher (which makes Lucipher, BTW, an elder spirit brother of every human, too)--which is the LDS view--and be Lucipher's Creator, which is the Biblical viewpoint based upon John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1. He can't be both!!! It's a different Jesus (2 Cor. 11:3-4).
You got some twisted understanding of things, Nowhere in Mormon teachings does it say Lucifer is older than anyone. So BZZT on this one.
Let me make this easy on you, Creation happened twice Creation (2X)
The first Creation was every thing spiritually (1X) and everything Physical (2X)
God the Father created everything Spiritual; Jesus Christ (Jehovah) created everything Physical. (It’s like you eavesdropped in on Sunday School and half of each doctrine is all you heard, and man did they get twisted in there!)
>> Likewise, Jesus can't be a mere organizer of matter that's been there for eternity (LDS
>>view) vs. Being the one who created everything out of nothing (Heb. 11:3; John 1;
>>Col. 1; Heb. 1).
Yeah, you create worlds all the time, right, so it’s mere to you.
See the Two phase creation above.
>>Jesus can't be the one you can't pray to (LDS doctrine, which says we pray to Father
>>thru Jesus) vs. being the One we pray to, which even the Book of Mormon supports
>>(surprisingly!).
You really do have confusion issues.
>> I can go on and on. At some point, we're talking about two different Jesuses. And that point, 2 Cor. 11:3-4 kicks in!!!
LOL! Mormons ask you to pray about it!
>> Hey, bottom line on this objection of yours is that every one who calls himself
>>Christian and is not a Mormon isn't necessarily a Christian, either. Not all Methodists
>>are Christian. Not all Presbyterians are Christian. Not all Catholics...etc.
And only Jesus Christ can tell who is and who isn’t, except for you apparently, you can see into my heart and declare me un –Christian!
>>Alright, now you are getting ridiculous. The Christian faith is a monotheistic faith. >>One God! That's it. We not only believe in one God, we don't believe a pantheon of >>gods exist.
So what does 1 Cor 8:5&6 mean to you?
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_cor/8/5#5 )
>>Ask any Mormon. They will tell you they believe in one Godhead. But ask them to
>>define that. They will tell you that Godhead is three separate gods, Father, Jesus, and
>>Holy Ghost...and that many more gods exist than them (they just don't exercise faith in
>>those gods. By definition, that is a polytheistic belief system.
One more time, what do Mormons believe? http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/1
>> Christianity, by definition, cannot be both a monotheistic and a polytheistic religion.
See verse 6 it does not say Trinity.