>> Listen, Jesus Christ cannot be both an elder spirit brother of Lucipher (which makes Lucipher, BTW, an elder spirit brother of every human, too)--which is the LDS view--and be Lucipher's Creator, which is the Biblical viewpoint based upon John 1, Colossians 1, Hebrews 1. He can't be both!!! It's a different Jesus (2 Cor. 11:3-4).
You got some twisted understanding of things, Nowhere in Mormon teachings does it say Lucifer is older than anyone. So BZZT on this one.
Let me make this easy on you, Creation happened twice Creation (2X)
The first Creation was every thing spiritually (1X) and everything Physical (2X)
God the Father created everything Spiritual; Jesus Christ (Jehovah) created everything Physical. (It’s like you eavesdropped in on Sunday School and half of each doctrine is all you heard, and man did they get twisted in there!)
>> Likewise, Jesus can't be a mere organizer of matter that's been there for eternity (LDS
>>view) vs. Being the one who created everything out of nothing (Heb. 11:3; John 1;
>>Col. 1; Heb. 1).
Yeah, you create worlds all the time, right, so it’s mere to you.
See the Two phase creation above.
>>Jesus can't be the one you can't pray to (LDS doctrine, which says we pray to Father
>>thru Jesus) vs. being the One we pray to, which even the Book of Mormon supports
>>(surprisingly!).
You really do have confusion issues.
>> I can go on and on. At some point, we're talking about two different Jesuses. And that point, 2 Cor. 11:3-4 kicks in!!!
LOL! Mormons ask you to pray about it!
>> Hey, bottom line on this objection of yours is that every one who calls himself
>>Christian and is not a Mormon isn't necessarily a Christian, either. Not all Methodists
>>are Christian. Not all Presbyterians are Christian. Not all Catholics...etc.
And only Jesus Christ can tell who is and who isn’t, except for you apparently, you can see into my heart and declare me un –Christian!
>>Alright, now you are getting ridiculous. The Christian faith is a monotheistic faith. >>One God! That's it. We not only believe in one God, we don't believe a pantheon of >>gods exist.
So what does 1 Cor 8:5&6 mean to you?
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
( http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_cor/8/5#5 )
>>Ask any Mormon. They will tell you they believe in one Godhead. But ask them to
>>define that. They will tell you that Godhead is three separate gods, Father, Jesus, and
>>Holy Ghost...and that many more gods exist than them (they just don't exercise faith in
>>those gods. By definition, that is a polytheistic belief system.
One more time, what do Mormons believe? http://scriptures.lds.org/en/a_of_f/1
>> Christianity, by definition, cannot be both a monotheistic and a polytheistic religion.
See verse 6 it does not say Trinity.
Okay, I can say for certainty that a certain snake was loose in the garden. That at least makes him older than at least everybody (except perhaps Adam & Eve).
So, that would make him your elder brother, right? (I mean, if Jesus is your Elder brother, and Lucifer is Jesus' brother, then Lucifer is also your elder brother, right?)
You said I used the term "mere" a bit too loosely in conjunction with creation. Well you use the term "creation" a bit too loosely above. Joseph Smith taught that matter was eternal--opposing Hebrews 11:3. Joseph also clearly taught that this eternal matter was "organized."
In case you haven't noticed, there's a big difference if I tell you to "organize" your house versus "building it from nothing."
No, Mormon missionaries don't ask you to pray about which Jesus is true. They present a book that doesn't differ in too many places from the Bible and ask you to pray if this historical book is true.
When you read the BoM, it says absolutely nothing about Jesus being a man-who-became God; about exaltation; about 3 degrees of glory; about becoming a god; about God having a body of flesh & bones...etc.
No, initiates only get that after advancing beyond the initial "primer."
Of course, only Jesus can tell who is and who isn't.
My questions for you:
(1) Does God ever give anyone spiritual discernment to someone to discern where another person is, snapshot like, at that point in his/her life spiritually at that moment? Look, for example at Philip in the book of Acts re: the Ethiopian eunuch: "The Spirit told Philip, 'Go to that chariot and stay near it.' Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. 'Do you understand what you are reading?' Philip asked." (Acts 8:29-30)
Now, was Philip being judgmental when he asked the Ethiopian, "Do you understand what you are reading?" (That question would only be asked of someone who was assuming that their understanding was not where it the Holy Spirit wanted it to be, revelation-wise).
(2) When Jesus says "Ye shall know them by their fruit," is that a totally meaningless statement? (Should that verse have been changed in the JST to read, "Ye shall not know them at all, by their fruit or by their professed doctrine, because that could be conceived as being judgmental"?)
(3) Why bother sending missionaries, LDS or Christian, to the Buddhists in Asia or the Hindus in India? I mean isn't that presumptively passing "judgment" on them? Aren't these missionary agencies guilty, as you claim, of declaring them "unChristian?" How could they possibly "see into the heart" of any given Buddhist, Muslim, or Hindu?
(4) To be a latter-day saint has a definite definition/boundary. So "Christian" carries no similar definition/boundary? It's self-determined? Self-identified?