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1 posted on 11/19/2006 3:33:27 PM PST by ruination
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To: ruination
Not everyone agrees with the legal argument presented in your article:

http://federalistblog.us/mt/articles/14th_dummy_guide.htm
2 posted on 11/19/2006 3:39:33 PM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigshit be upon him))
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To: ruination

Yet another view for your consideration:

http://federalistblog.us/2005/12/birthright_citizenship_fable.html


3 posted on 11/19/2006 3:41:20 PM PST by Founding Father (The Pedophile moHAMmudd (PBUH---Pigshit be upon him))
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To: ruination
The key in the 14th Amendment is here:

"...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,..."

Those here illegally are not here under our jurisdiction.
4 posted on 11/19/2006 3:41:41 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: ruination
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

I believe this Amendment needs to be amended to say that "all persons borne to a citizen of the United States..." meaning that at least one of the parents MUST be a citizen in order for citizenship to be automatic for the baby.

5 posted on 11/19/2006 3:43:34 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: ruination
"required that the state provide public education to children regardless of their legal status"

This is a ruling that doesn't even pass the smell test. How can taxpayers be expected to pay for the education of ILLEGAL occupants of our Country? Unless the law is taken before a CONSTITUTION-respecting USSC, rather than an agenda-driven Liberal court seeking to legislate from the bench, NO Constitutional provisions are safe from re-interpretation by the Liberals.

This crap has been occuring over and over again, and with the remarks of Chuckie Shumer, regariding "no conservative appointements will be allowed", it's obvious this will not only continue, but will grow....

6 posted on 11/19/2006 3:44:28 PM PST by traditional1
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To: ruination

Instead of proposing a 700 mile fence, why doesn't one of our solons propose amending the Constitution to specifically say children of those here illegally do not get automatic citizenship or any rights associated with it?


8 posted on 11/19/2006 3:55:43 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: ruination

Does citizenship mean anything anymore? Or is it just where you happen to drop your butt down?


9 posted on 11/19/2006 3:56:17 PM PST by PatrickF4
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To: ruination

Never happen!


11 posted on 11/19/2006 4:03:58 PM PST by hophead ("A questions not really a question, if you know the answer too.")
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To: ruination

Sorry, but just because liberals abuse the text of the Constitution to create rights that don't exist doesn't mean what conservatives can do the same. The text is clear -- if you're born here, you're a citizen. Anything else is sophistry.


12 posted on 11/19/2006 4:10:41 PM PST by tdewey10 (Can we please take out iran's nuclear capability before they start using it?)
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To: ruination

About time!


16 posted on 11/19/2006 4:31:28 PM PST by moehoward
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To: ruination

A lot of our present environment began with the 14th Amendment and a lot of it is interpretation, not expressly stated. The birth thing is not the biggie although big enough to be noticeable.


19 posted on 11/19/2006 4:56:43 PM PST by RightWhale (RTRA DLQS GSCW)
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To: ruination

since the US no longer has slavery....what good is this amendment??

oh yeah...it will help the lib/dems get more illegals to vote for them!!!!


20 posted on 11/19/2006 4:57:27 PM PST by hnj_00
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To: ruination

Kudos for the people brave enough to set some standards for anchor babies born of illegals .

I hope they make some serious headway.

This problem is waaay to far out of control.


21 posted on 11/19/2006 5:01:34 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ruination
Statement: "Bill rekindles debate on birthright citizenship"

Response: The statement of a symptom i.e. debate. Be reminded the aliens are acting!

23 posted on 11/19/2006 5:09:25 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: ruination

Meritocracy - service equals citizenship.


24 posted on 11/19/2006 5:10:05 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


39 posted on 11/20/2006 9:32:12 AM PST by gubamyster
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Ping for your standard responses.

Interesting that the Big Perfesser at Yew-T points to Plyler V. Doe as somehow deciding the issue of citizenship. Hadn't heard that joke yet.

44 posted on 11/20/2006 10:54:34 AM PST by Regulator
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To: dufekin; tdewey10; Melas; GreenLanternCorps
Anyone born in the United States is an American citizen

Bunk. Perhaps Sr. Castillo wants it to be true in his own case (and certainly in the case of his homeys), but it isn't.

It's very, very clear beyond reasonable doubt that under current interpretation of the 14th Amendment, and simply U.S. law, that anybody born in the United States, except for a few exotic examples, becomes a citizen

Actually it isn't, and has never been adjudicated by any court. The closest case is Wong Kim Ark v. United States, last visited in 1898. And his parents were legal aliens at the time of his birth in San Francisco, two decades earlier than the case - in the 1870's. So it doesn't apply to those here illegally.

Mr. Levinson - who's homeys probably weren't here either before 1898 - is just babbling for effect, hoping people will buy his assertions. The left always operates that way: insist something is true long enough and pretty soon the gullible start buying it.

For y'all "strict constructionists" here who sorta lack a law degree, this argument is probably reasonably easy for most of you to get it: Amicus Brief in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld . Note the co-authorship of Mr. Reagan's Attorney General.

And for even further clarification if all those legal arguments are just too confusing, Mr. Eastman clears it up with this: Eastman Testimony Before the House .

Eastman's brief and testimony are not the opinions of one man but they are some of more plain arguments made recently. Anyone who wants to research this on the web will find that out for themselves. It is not the simplistic interpretation insisted on here by the Journalism major from Mexico or his lap dog leftist "Constitutional" law professor.

45 posted on 11/20/2006 11:11:41 AM PST by Regulator
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To: ImaTexan

ping


47 posted on 11/20/2006 11:21:22 AM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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