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Rep. Rangel will seek to reinstate draft
AP via Yahoo! ^ | November 19, 2006 | AP

Posted on 11/19/2006 10:30:36 AM PST by Brilliant

A senior House Democrat said Sunday he will introduce legislation to reinstate the military draft, asserting that current troop levels are insufficient to sustain possible challenges against Iran, North Korea and Iraq.

"There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," said Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), D-N.Y.

Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose the measure early next year.

At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," he said.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.

"I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.

Rangel, incoming chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said he worried the military was being strained by its overseas commitments.

"If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.

He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.

Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."

Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.

Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind.

The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973. An agency independent of the Defense Department, the Selective Service System trains, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 — now about 16 million — from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.

Rangel and Graham appeared on "Face the Nation" on CBS.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: conscription; draft; iraq; rangel; war
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To: ArtyFO
I think the Muslim world looks at us as paper tigers who will run at the first hint of resistance. I think that the reinstatement of the draft says that we're in it for the long haul and will pay the price to win. We need a bigger footprint in the region.

Are you of draft age, or older? If not, will you volunteer, to show solidarity with the young men you want to have drafted?

81 posted on 11/19/2006 11:11:44 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: darkwing104

LOL, you took the words right off my keyboard!


82 posted on 11/19/2006 11:12:17 AM PST by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: Brilliant

The Dems must be very desperate for a new class of victims, but how are they planning to blame someone else for this one?

He might want to consider that if his insinuations that the draft was just a way to kill young black and brown people he would be killing his voting base.

By the way, I think a years stint for all young in some form of service to the nation would help to remind them that freedom is not free.


83 posted on 11/19/2006 11:12:54 AM PST by Steamburg (Pretenders everywhere)
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To: Past Your Eyes
That may be the only thing I agree with Charlie Rangel about. (Speaking as a draftee myself.) I agree with him too. Having a draft would expose more young people to the military and (I think) make them appreciate and value their country more.
84 posted on 11/19/2006 11:13:25 AM PST by rbg81 (1)
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To: freedomdefender; ArtyFO

His screen name may give you a clue.


85 posted on 11/19/2006 11:13:32 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: bws53

You can find a PS3 for $500? I'll stand outside for that deal myself.


86 posted on 11/19/2006 11:13:41 AM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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To: Brilliant
I bet those people on the left are loving this little revelation.
87 posted on 11/19/2006 11:14:24 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: freedomdefender
"Social cohesion is the goal of totalitarian states. Freedom is the goal of the United States."
Thinking first, replying later would do you a lot of good:
Any state, be it free, not so free, or totalitarian, needs a measure of social cohesion to exist. Without this cohesion what one gets is the tower of Babel [a multiculturalist dream, BTW]. So the question is, in what measure does a free country [especially a free country at war] need social cohesion, to what measure do we already possess such cohesion, is the present measure of cohesion sufficient or does it need strengthening?
88 posted on 11/19/2006 11:15:30 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Brilliant

Rangel's goal- a military force that serves as a giagantic sop to the poor. A european type military civil service armed forces.


89 posted on 11/19/2006 11:15:43 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: rbg81

You're willing to have others forced into the military (I'm not saying that to sound anti-military - I'm not - just to be accurate: The draft would force young people into the military). Would you voluntarily sign up as well, to show solidarity with the young men whom you want to force into the military?


90 posted on 11/19/2006 11:15:52 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: mware
I bet those people on the left are loving this little revelation.

Nobody is looking at the elephant in the room....

I bet somewhere in him, Charlie knows that the military may save a generation of young black men.

91 posted on 11/19/2006 11:16:49 AM PST by paulat
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To: rbg81

A good number of draftees of the 50s and 60s decided to stay longer than two years.


92 posted on 11/19/2006 11:16:55 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: GSlob
Thinking first, replying later would do you a lot of good:

Practice what you preach. I said that it's the way of totalitarian governments to seek "social cohesion" by forcing people into government-dictated pursuits. That's a fact, Jack.

94 posted on 11/19/2006 11:17:23 AM PST by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender
What do you do with your time to be able to say that young people have it "too easy"?
Do you happen to know what a non sequitur is?
Try "irrelevant". What does your question have to do with the observation? A thoughtful question, if a challenge was justified, would be "what did you do when you were in your 20s"? Of course, the answer to that might just dig you a deeper hole.

Do you work more than one job? Or are you retired?
Do you have time to camp all day in front of a toy store? Did you ever?

95 posted on 11/19/2006 11:17:49 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: freedomdefender; Past Your Eyes

I agree. And it's the young people today who VOLUNTARILY sign up for the military, they don't have to be forced into it. I don't know why it's so popular on this forum to trash young people. What if I went around saying, "Retired people are so damn lazy. Why can't they do anything?"


96 posted on 11/19/2006 11:18:05 AM PST by ilovew (Rummy...the best Secretary of Defense ever.)
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To: freedomdefender
The draft would force young people into the military

Can't get anything past you.

97 posted on 11/19/2006 11:18:20 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: freedomdefender
Thank you for explaining it so well. Many young people would rather play video games because they are too young for the bar scene or they just don't like it. Many can't afford to go out all the time because of all their bills. Here in NJ car insurance is very costly. I don't know how any of my children will be able to buy a house without years of saving after paying off school loans unless they get help from us. If there was to be a draft I would suggest that they take the ones who drop out of school 1st. I think the draft is a bad idea because I remember it. All too well I remember the college riots and I was only like 9 or 10 yrs old. I think forcing the military on someone doesn't make for a good soldier but then I've never had to serve. I do remember parents ready to send their sons to Canada though.
98 posted on 11/19/2006 11:18:47 AM PST by pandoraou812 ( barbaric with zero tolerance and dilligaf?)
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To: paulat
I wonder what Charlie thinks of college deferments???
99 posted on 11/19/2006 11:20:12 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: originalbuckeye

"they can be dangerous to their fellow troops" - I thought the same thing when I read the article. Can you just imagine draftees that don't want to be there (Iraq, Afghanistan) in the first place, how would they react in a dangerous situation with our soldiers who are fighting because they volunteered to protect their country? Like your son and my son (who is also an only child). So now we have the Dims wanting to reinstate the draft, all the while threatening to cut war funding. Horrors!

God bless your son for his service!


100 posted on 11/19/2006 11:20:32 AM PST by fishergirl (Proud mom of an Iraq war veteran - to all our veterans Thank You and God Bless)
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