AMERICA'S MAYOR SEEKS LARGER EMPIRE (Giuliani as presidential candidate is scary)

NY POST ^ | November 19, 2006 | VOX POPULI (letters to the editors)

[Liz]

****......he won't be able to get conservatives on his presidential bandwagon. He is pro-choice and favors same-sex marriage, gun control and stem-cell research. He has to be able to swing Middle America. Name redacted Bellerose

**** Who is going to run Giuliani's exploratory committee? I understand Bernie Kerik, Russell Harding, Richard Roberts and a list of assorted cons are available from Giuliani's group of yes men. Maybe his driver will be our next attorney general. That's just what our country needs - more scandals. Whitestone

**** Giuliani was a terrible mayor, and has spent all his days promoting himself. Manhattan

**** Giuliani for president? What is happening to the moral high ground of the Republicans? It sounds like they are becoming the more corrupt and morally disgusting bunch of the two parties, yet they want Giuliani to lead the party of moral conviction and family values? Memphis, Tenn.

**** Giuliani as a presidential candidate is a scary concept. Manhattan

[Senator Goldwater]

On the issues that rate high for a President, Rudy is conservative: National Security and Defense; Homeland Security; Law and Order; fiscal responsibility; and leadership

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And his judicial appointments will be a reflection of that.

[antisocial]

"The two of them are not even close to being on the same planet when it comes to views."

And neither one of them are even close to being on the same planet as conservatives.

[Old_Mil]

There are certainly a lot of "new" Freepers showing up supporting Rudy's candidacy. Must have something to do wth that pesky exploratory committee. FR may be in the process of being freeped. :)

[ShawTaylor]

And neither one of them are even close to being on the same planet as conservatives.

That is not the point.
The point being Giuliani is NO Chaffe, as was posted by the Hitlery backers here.

[Ceebass]

Both crime and abortion rates have fallen across the country, dating from the mid-Nineties. There's no real apparent reason for it ...

I've read that a large part of the reason is that people who break the law are going to prison and staying there. Less criminals on the street = less crime

As for Rudy, I remember he did instiute a no tolerance policy against crime. Police cracked down on squeegee men, prostitutes, etc. Before his tenure Times Square was an x-rated sewer, he cleaned it up to the point where it became a family destination.

Rudy isn't perfect, but if he can beat the demos in NYC he should be able to win a national contest.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

LOL

[Dark Skies]

He was Giuliani's body guard, thus his driver.

If I am wrong I apologize.

On the other hand, to make the following statement...

Rudy promoted his ex-driver---Bernie Kerik---for Homeland/Sec Chief...

is to imply that Kerik was only a limo driver. Any person unfamiliar with Kerik's background would get a completely false view of Giuliani and Kerik by that implication.

There are lies of commission and lies of omission. I'll let you determine which that was.

[HelloooClareece]

That's the real issue. So we have:


*can beat the democrat's nominee
*strong leader
*strong on terrorism
*tough on crime
* moral enough to reject millions from a Saudi shiek
*ready to elect justices in the mold of Alito and Roberts

and damnit that's not good enough for these 100%ers. Forget about Mitt too as some here feel that he is a "cult member". That leaves us with...........

oh yeah, Hillary as our next POTUS. With FRiends like these...

[George W. Bush]

The argument here is between ideology and practicality. If you let Hillary get in because your ideology will not allow you to vote for Rudy, you may as well go start your own country somewhere, because you won't recognize this one when the Dems are done with it.

Vote for the liberal to take over the GOP and you have invited the wolf into the fold to despoil your house and eat your young.

A liberal Republican controlling our party is more dangerous than a mere Xlinton in the White House. Before you all complain about Osama's nukes, keep in mind that I don't care because it's you liberals that will get the nuke first anyway. So before you present us with a candidate we will never vote for because he is the Anti-Christ to all that conservatives have held dear for decades, you'd better realize that New York and Washington aren't that important to us and that conservatives can survive a few years of Xlintonism better than to allow a NYC liberal to take over the party and destroy conservative principles forever. I think that presenting Rudy to us as the nominee actually is the death wish of some cheapskate liberals from New York who call themselves Republicans.

F.O.H. (Fear Of Hillary) will not win the election. And Rudy is to the Left of Hillary on many issues. And he has a messier personal history of recent vintage. Many Republican women, including the elderly conservative women who would never vote for a Hillary except if Rudy was the alternative, will look at the two and conclude Hillary is the family-values and moral candidate between the two.

I can easily envision Hillary getting electoral votes from states as Red as Nebraska, Wyoming and Utah. These are the three Bush-took-every-county states. And I've lived in two of them.

[ShawTaylor]

And Rudy is to the Left of Hillary on many issues

Like what for example?

[George W. Bush]

And how about his disloyalty to Governor Pataki when he endorsed Cuomo over Pataki and deliberately tried to defeat the Republican candidate? Incidentally, Pataki is generally seen as more conservative than Giuliani.

Does Giuliani still have connections to the Clinton/Cuomo machine?

[Hydroshock]

There is no way I will support this rino.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Personal responsibility... I do not need government protection or some big liberal program... I can do it myself... something liberal big city people are too damned chicken $hit to do themselves...

[HelloooClareece]

First of all, welcome to FR. You will soon see that logic and sanity are, at times, thrown by the wayside here to make room for screaming hissyfits. This is one of those times but is nothing compared to the days of Miers and Schiavo. Don't let it prevent you from interacting as most of us do not feel the same way these 100%ers do. They are merely attempting to grab defeat from the jaws of victory yet again. They say people like us sound like DUers when in reality it is their homophobic rantings and bitterness and basic Buchanan-like spewing that keeps the general public wary of anything Republican. Any win for them is a win for the Rats.

[ShawTaylor]

And how about his disloyalty to Governor Pataki when he endorsed Cuomo over Pataki and deliberately tried to defeat the Republican candidate?

What you gotta ask yourself is if Pataki himself has been that loyal to the Republican Party and Republican candidates in New York state.
As at today, the Republican Party in New York is in tatters, and there are plenty who blame Pataki for it.
Pataki is closer to some of the RATS state congressmen than even to Republicans.
It's not totally his fault. The guy has to to get the job done in a predominantly blue state.

[happinesswithoutpeace]

"homophobic rantings"

Ahhhh..ok.

[metalurgist]

Crime is not bad in New Orleans. I've just recently come back after spending 4 weeks working down there. The only problem spots are the animals in the ninth ward and the welfare rats that schoolbus Nagin brought back for his election. New Orleans exported their crime to Houston.

All the crime stats that I've seen show the last 2 years of Dinkins administration and Rudy's 2 terms. That is where they pinpoint crime as starting to fall. Also in this time period, crime fell all across the country.

Reasons for this range from the end of the crack epidemic, tightening parole, would be criminals aging, the right to carry laws being enacted.

What has Hillary! done her entire life? Why, she f#cked her way to the top like a good radical feminazi should.

[George W. Bush]

Even here at Freerepublic Giuliani consistently does better than McCain in polls.

We're supposed to be impressed by online self-selected polls? Are you insane? This is FreeRepublic and we specialize in this stuff.

And just the other day, there was a new poll that showed Hillary beating Rudy decisively in New York. And if that's true of New York, it's probably true of all the liberal northeast states. Funny how all of you who tout Rudy's polling didn't manage to read that thread. At any rate, polls this early are nothing but name recognition.

Is that why crime , including murder, fell very sharply with him as police chief?

But crime fell elsewhere as well. Perhaps not as sharply. But the rest of us weren't living in a sewer like NYC, were we?

Duh.

It didn't work for Howard Dean, its not gonna work for Hitlery's paid assassins like you either.

Yeah, but those checks sure are great. Every post I make here nets me thousands of dollars from Her Thighness. I'll be a millionaire soon from posting at FreeRepublic.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

their homophobic rantings

Now, there is some far leftist rhetoric...

[George W. Bush]

lol...he urinated on Arafat's shoes!

Well, okay, but I want pictures, dammit!