Bill Introduced to Allow [Gun] Carry in National Parks

Ohioans For Concealed Carry ^ | 11/17/06 | Mike Kinsey

[italianquaker]

I bet this will be a priority with the 110th congress, hmmm are we still glad about staying home to teach Bush and the gop a lesson

[ancient_geezer]

One great big BTTT on this one!!!!

[DoughtyOne]

I guess they'll have to forgive me for noting this was attempted during the last six weeks and not the first six weeks of leadersip. The right of states to override is proper, but it essentially makes the legislation meaningless.

[tpaine]

I bet this will be a priority with the 110th congress, hmmm are we still glad about staying home to teach Bush and the gop a lesson.

This type of bill seems familiar.. Two bits similar bills have been presented, ~and ignored~, by gop dominated congresses.

[tpaine]

The right of states to override is proper,

I don't 'get' your reasoning..

Why should States have a right to override our inalienable right to carry arms?

[italianquaker]

Thats answers that then, if it couldnt pass before you can throw dirt on it now. In my state of florida they passed a law where you can carry in state parks but thats florida

[FLOutdoorsman]

Not getting into the history of the US Constitution being water downed.

He means, if a state has reciprocity[or not] with another state allowing them to carry a Concealed wpn that trumps the Fed Law of allowing you to carry a gun into a National Forest in another State.

[SampleMan]

Too late. Had six years and blew it.

[Ax]

I remember taking a coach tour of our western National Parks a few years ago, and I was astonished to see signs all over the place probibiting bringing firearms in Yellowstone National Park. Right next to those signs were other signs warning of the presence of grizzlies in the area. Didn't compute then, doesn't compute now.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Yeah, why didn't Allen introduce this bill months ago?

[tpaine]

I remember taking a coach tour of our western National Parks a few years ago, and I was astonished to see signs all over the place probibiting bringing firearms in Yellowstone National Park.

Obviously unconstitutional prohibitions.
Some main highways run through Yellowstone. I'd bet that hundreds [if not thousands] of travelers a day rightly ignore those 'laws'.

[DoughtyOne]

On this one you were quite right to point out the error of my logic. While I do support state's rights in general, individual rights supercede those rights on this issue. It's embarassing to have to have someone correct me on my take, but I'd rather have someone do it and address the error than let it hang. Good call. Sorry about that.

[tpaine]

DoughtyOne:
"-- The right of states to override is proper, --"

I don't 'get' your reasoning..
Why should States have a right to override our inalienable right to carry arms?

FLO:
He means, if a state has reciprocity[or not] with another state allowing them to carry a Concealed wpn that trumps the Fed Law of allowing you to carry a gun into a National Forest in another State.

Neither States nor Feds have a power to write laws "allowing" you to carry. -- Our right to bear "shall not be infringed".

[DoughtyOne]

Actually, tpaine was right to call me on that. Individual rights trump states rights on this issue. I was focused on federal vs states rights when it was a no-brainer that Seccond Ammendment guaranteed rights were at stake.

[tpaine]

Well put.. Thanks.

[DoughtyOne]

I agree.

[DoughtyOne]

And thanks for raising the point.

[FLOutdoorsman]

I was reasoning that we've just forgotten how much the Constitution is not followed. And we blindly follow whatever they say is legal.

[DoughtyOne]

While I agree that the general populace has sunk to this level, I do have to be frank when addressing a comment I made that was was so wrong.

Later...