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Carbon nanotubes: Saladin’s secret weapon
Royal Society of Chemistry ^ | 11/15/06 | Lionel Milgrom

Posted on 11/17/2006 2:38:03 PM PST by LibWhacker

Carbon nanotubes are no longer the proud boast of 21st century materials scientists. It appears their discovery was unwittingly pre-empted by mediaeval Muslim sword-smiths whose tough Damascus blades taught the Crusaders the true meaning of cold steel when they fought over the Holy Land.

Peter Paufler and colleagues at Dresden’s Technical University discovered carbon nanotubes in the microstructure of a 17th century Damascus sabre. Intriguingly, the nanotubes could have encapsulated iron-carbide nanowires that might give clues to the mechanical strength and sharpness of these swords.

To Europeans, Damascus steel blades seemed magical. Not only could they cut a piece of silk in half as it fell to the floor, they could cleave rocks and their own swords without losing sharpness. The problem facing sword smiths was how to produce steel that was both hard and malleable. Too much carbon and the steel is hard and brittle; too little and it is too soft and malleable to hold an edge when sharpened. Damascus steel blades were forged out of small pure cakes of steel containing around 1.6–1.7 per cent carbon, called wootz. Produced in India, wootz cakes were shipped to Damascus where expert sword smiths fashioned them into blades.

Steel that contains this amount of carbon forms plates of cementite (Fe3C) which, on its own, makes the steel brittle. However, during the forging process at around 800oC, small amounts of ‘impurities’ were added containing many first-row transition elements (such as V, Cr, Mn, Co, and Ni), tungsten, and some rare-earths. which together had the effect of forming the cementite into bands. This gave the blades great strength, malleability, and a distinctive wavy-band pattern known as a damask. The skill had been lost by the 18th century, when supplies of these ores and impurities ran out.

Micro-structural examination of the bands had previously shown they contained nanowires of Fe3C. Now, Paufler’s team has uncovered the presence of carbon nanotubes by exposing a small piece of a blade to corrosion by hydrofluoric acid, and examining the effects under a high resolution scanning electron microscope. In some remnants the researchers saw evidence of incompletely dissolved Fe3C nanowires, suggesting the nanotubes could have encapsulated the nanowires. This would not only have given the blades their renowned strength and sharpness, but also their characteristic banding pattern. ‘The nanotubes probably came from the addition of mandatory organic ingredients we know were added during wootz production, such as wood from the tree Cassia auriculata and leaves from Coltropis gigantean,’ said Paufler. ‘So, by empirically optimising their blade-treatment procedures, these craftsmen made nanotubes more than 400 years ago.’


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: carbon; damascus; nanotechnology; nanotubes; saladin
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Crediting Medieval muslims with the discovery of carbon nanotubes is ridiculous, imo. It's like saying Saladin discovered calculus the day he poured goats milk from a container of unknown volume into a container of known volume (and thus figured out the volume of the unknown container).
1 posted on 11/17/2006 2:38:05 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

I agree. It's like saying people who threw mud at each other were taking advantage of complex aluminosilicate cation sheet structures with an affinity for water, on purpose.


2 posted on 11/17/2006 2:40:18 PM PST by SpaceBar
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I don't think that's what it's saying.

They did create a superior steel for blades. They surely didn't call it nanotubes, and it was undoubtedly by trial and error.

But they did do it.


3 posted on 11/17/2006 2:42:14 PM PST by Dog Gone (,)
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"To Europeans, Damascus steel blades seemed magical. Not only could they cut a piece of silk in half as it fell to the floor, they could cleave rocks and their own swords without losing sharpness."

I don't buy this.

4 posted on 11/17/2006 2:44:24 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: LibWhacker
Produced in India, wootz cakes were shipped to Damascus where expert sword smiths fashioned them into blades.

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‘The nanotubes probably came from the addition of mandatory organic ingredients we know were added during wootz production, such as wood from the tree Cassia auriculata and leaves from Coltropis gigantean,’ said Paufler. ‘So, by empirically optimising their blade-treatment procedures, these craftsmen made nanotubes more than 400 years ago.’


Wouldn't this mean that the carbon nanotubes were actually the accidental creation of the Indians who formulated the wootz steel? And wouldn't this therefore be another addition to the list of Indian accomplishments for which credit has been claimed by Muslims, e.g. the "Arabic" numeral system we use today, Buddhist Jataka tales reformed as Arabian stories, the numerical concept of zero, etc.
5 posted on 11/17/2006 2:45:29 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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"poured goats milk from a container of unknown volume"

Or the hair from a camels chin mixed in a vat of persian mole piss produced the 8-track player.


6 posted on 11/17/2006 2:45:48 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To a point, they could. There was nothing particularly magical about it, but Damascus steel was better than virtually anything being produced in Europe at the same time. Their swords were impressive weapons, probably second only to the Japanese swordsmiths who created those incomparable katanas and wakizashis.

}:-)4


7 posted on 11/17/2006 2:46:23 PM PST by Moose4 (Baa havoc, and let slip the sheep of war.)
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It appears their discovery was unwittingly pre-empted by mediaeval Muslim sword-smiths whose tough Damascus blades taught the Crusaders the true meaning of cold steel when they fought over the Holy Land.

WTF? No bias here.

8 posted on 11/17/2006 2:47:14 PM PST by Centurion2000 (If the Romans had nukes, Carthage would still be glowing.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Exactly. Good point. I'm not certain, but I believe I have read about ancient Damascus swords of Indian origin that pre-dated the muslim invasions.


9 posted on 11/17/2006 2:50:48 PM PST by LibWhacker
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Ha....only great invention of the islamics...better head severing swords.


10 posted on 11/17/2006 2:52:26 PM PST by spokeshave (The Democrat Party stands for open treason in a time of war.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Me either. Although the original damascus recipe has been lost forever, that kind of claim has to be myth.


11 posted on 11/17/2006 2:53:14 PM PST by LibWhacker
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The Japanese developed a "patterned" sword steel by smelting iron ore with charcoal and then heating, pounding, folding and refolding resulting in welded layers that have a strength and spring associated with lamination. If nanotubes are produced in this process I don't know. But I do know Damascus steel originated in India and is still produced there today and called "wootz."


12 posted on 11/17/2006 2:53:23 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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That's pretty sophisticated how they put in impurities from the first row of rare Earths on the periodic table. Mendeleev must have rediscovered medieval islamic knowledge of chemistry.
13 posted on 11/17/2006 2:54:59 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Karl Rove isn't magnificent.)
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Until I see that demonstrated I won't believe this is more than folklore.


14 posted on 11/17/2006 2:55:09 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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I don't buy this.

Likewise.

15 posted on 11/17/2006 2:56:18 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: LibWhacker

As usual, they stole it from somebody else. Curiously enough, the only technology they ever seem to steal is that intended for war. Or they steal non-war technology (like cell phones) and use it for killing. Great folks.


16 posted on 11/17/2006 2:57:23 PM PST by livius
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To: LibWhacker

Even the Syrians outsourced to India.


17 posted on 11/17/2006 2:57:58 PM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, thats how you sell clothing.)
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Carbon nanotubes are no longer the proud boast of 21st century materials scientists.

I dunno... It sounds like the author expects 21st century materials scientists to share the credit for discovering carbon nanotubes with a bunch of illiterate Medieval head choppers. In science you don't get any recognition for making a discovery unless you know what it is you've "discovered" or produced.

18 posted on 11/17/2006 2:58:22 PM PST by LibWhacker
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Yeah, I've always doubted that part about cutting a piece of silk in mid air. And I have even stronger doubts about cleaving rocks.

I'm sure these blades were good, but they weren't that good.

19 posted on 11/17/2006 3:03:21 PM PST by 68skylark
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‘So, by empirically optimising their blade-treatment procedures, these craftsmen made nanotubes more than 400 years ago.’

And if so.....then so what? They promptly forgot the knowledge, along with the arithmetic and any other technological thing they claim to have "given" the human race and rushed out to buy air conditioners, cars, cell phones, perfume, ice cream and everything else their miserable culture hasn't produced ever since.
20 posted on 11/17/2006 3:04:43 PM PST by wgflyer (Liberalism is to society what HIV is to the immune system.)
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