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Democracy’s Problems with Islam (Good article by an Iranian-born ex-muslim)
familysecuritymatters.org ^ | 11/17/2006 | Amil Imani

Posted on 11/17/2006 12:03:32 PM PST by Dark Skies

A relatively recent demographic change—significant increase in Muslim population—poses a serious challenge to the American system of governance—democracy.

Historically, people from all over the world came to this land-of-take-all and made it their home. In becoming American, each new aspirant had to meet specific provisions and take the “Pledge of Allegiance” as sworn affirmation of his highest loyalty to his new homeland. After a couple of generations, all hyphenated Americans saw themselves as Americans with a special affection for their ancestral heritage. An Irish-American, for instance, considered himself every bit as American as a German-American, or a Chinese-American.

Traditionally, America did not homogenize its diverse people. The notion of the “melting pot,” is inaccurate. Instead, America did one better. As it welcomed its diverse people, America united them around a set of core values such as respect for human rights, democratic governance, and the rule of law.

The large number of Muslims arrival of recent years is posing a serious problem to this nation of all nations. Bluntly speaking, no one can be a Muslim and an American at the same time. Here are some of the reasons.



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; muslim; wot

1 posted on 11/17/2006 12:03:34 PM PST by Dark Skies
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To: Dark Skies

All this from the religion of peace. /sarc


2 posted on 11/17/2006 12:09:59 PM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: Dark Skies

The Muslims living in this country would never get away with Jihad here...

Remember Flight 93.


3 posted on 11/17/2006 12:29:42 PM PST by Vinny (Tolerance is a device to usher in a new Intolerance)
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To: Vinny

just not today

wait until they infest the states with 9 children families, they go through school and vote just like in France... in a few short years, france will have sharia and islamic nuclear arms....

all without firing a weapon


4 posted on 11/17/2006 12:34:06 PM PST by himno hero
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To: Vinny

The sandgobblins know that. That's why they are following the example of liberals and proceeding to take over our institutions. They already have one muslim elected to Congress.


5 posted on 11/17/2006 12:44:00 PM PST by Ajnin (I)
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To: Dark Skies

I must have lived a sheltered life. In all of my 20 years working in the oil industry in the Middle East I have never met an ex-Muslim. I have heard about these enlightened souls but have never met any of them. They must be very special individuals.

The man is right that democracy and Islam is an oxymoron. Of course GW, Condi and our politicians will disagree with him. They still crow that Islam is the ROP. Many, many loose screws.


6 posted on 11/17/2006 12:44:50 PM PST by 353FMG (I never met a liberal I didn't dislike.)
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To: 353FMG
My family had a foreign exchange student from Turkey. He was Muslim. My mom loved him, he was actually very conservative and ethical. I guess the Muslims would consider him not really a Muslim. Anyway, he told us that when he was younger his father took him to mosque and, I guess, the Mullah was preaching his filth and stated that "You should beat your wife." Well his dad grabbed his son's hand and left and they hadn't been back to Mosque since. He hasn't traditionally converted although I think he believes much more in Christianity than Islam.

We also had another student from Turkey a year before that and her and her father did want to convert to Christianity so my mom and I helped her to begin while she was here so that she could help her father when she got home.

It does happen.
7 posted on 11/17/2006 1:02:45 PM PST by panuke
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To: 353FMG

go to www.erguncaner.com and click on Biography


8 posted on 11/17/2006 1:45:41 PM PST by JG52blackman
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To: Dark Skies

no one can be a Muslim and an American at the same time.

This is news?


9 posted on 11/17/2006 1:48:39 PM PST by kalee
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To: kellynch

How can we get this out to the masses? Most people I know don't care and don't want to know....Frustrating.


10 posted on 11/17/2006 1:50:19 PM PST by MrLee
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To: kalee
This is news?

As weird as it sounds, many still haven't heard the word...or maybe they've heard it and still refuse to believe.

11 posted on 11/17/2006 1:52:17 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: MrLee
Same here. People I know still don't want to believe that these are evil people practicing an evil religion who want to kill us all. They even want to kill liberals, the same people who are defending them. But most liberals are too stupid to realize this. Christopher Hitchens understands, but he's been drummed out of the liberal "club" for speaking out. Just look at what the Democrats did to Joe Lieberman.

They try to tell me that all fundamentalists are equal, even when I point out that Hasidic Jews and Southern Baptists haven't flown planes into any tall buildings lately. They act as if the handful of abortion clinic bombers are on a par with these people. They don't care when I tell them that true Christians/Jews repudiate those who bomb abortion clinics, but we have yet to see Muslims en masse repudiate their co-religionists who slam planes into buildings.

12 posted on 11/17/2006 2:10:24 PM PST by kellynch ("Our only freedom is the freedom to discipline ourselves." -- Bernard Baruch)
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To: JG52blackman

http://www.erguncaner.com


13 posted on 11/17/2006 2:51:36 PM PST by Vinny (Tolerance is a device used as a prelude to a new Intolerance)
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To: Vinny
"The Muslims living in this country would never get away with Jihad here... "

They are getting away with it as we speak - politically, culturally, legally.

14 posted on 11/17/2006 5:14:24 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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15 posted on 11/17/2006 8:08:25 PM PST by Aetius
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To: Dark Skies
Historically, people from all over the world

Not really true, since the overwhelming majority of immigrants in the past were Europeans.

16 posted on 11/17/2006 9:59:04 PM PST by jordan8
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To: Dark Skies
Anyone who heard Glenn Beck's phone interview of that Islamic Thinker Society (New York) character from Wednesday....I don't know how good a debater Beck is against a worthy opponent, but he ripped that guy a new one. The Moose Limb spewed the "Government blew up the towers" conspiracy theory, and when pressed about the peacefulness of Muslims, "Of course we are. Of course we are."

And he's all for Sharia law in the U.S. And the picture of the Islamic flag flying over the White House.

Peace. Of course. Of course we are all for it.

Taquiya, baby.

17 posted on 11/17/2006 10:24:11 PM PST by FlyVet
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