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Megachurch pastor's trip draws criticism (Rick Warren,islam's newest useful idiot)
AP via newsobserver.com ^ | 11/16/2006 | BRIAN MURPHY

Posted on 11/17/2006 11:39:05 AM PST by Dark Skies

A trip to Syria that U.S. megachurch pastor Rick Warren says was inspired by a backyard chat with a Muslim neighbor has triggered criticism and questions that highlight the potential risks when preaching meets international politics.

But Warren's visit - which included a meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad - also reinforced his credentials as a rising force in a new generation of globe-trotting evangelists following famous predecessors including the Rev. Billy Graham.

Warren, who shot to superstardom with his blockbuster book "The Purpose Driven Life," said he was not attempting to dabble in the hypersensitive world of Middle Eastern politics in the visit that ended last Sunday. Warren said he went to Syria as part of a three-nation trip of pastoral outreach and humanitarian efforts that began in Germany and wraps up in Rwanda on Saturday.

His statement, however, came too late to curb disapproval of his trip as word of it spread via the Internet.

Warren has been criticized by some evangelicals for holding talks with a nation long accused of abetting terrorism that is also one of Israel's fiercest foes.

Conservative Christians have been among the toughest advocates in the United States for a hard-line against Islamic extremism. And Israel is strongly supported by a vast evangelical network, including some American churches that believe biblical prophecy calls for Jewish sovereignty over the entire Holy Land.

The Crosstalk Radio Talk Show, part of a Christian radio network, called Warren a "mindless shill" for Syria and said he "owes an apology to Israel, to the American people and to the victims of Syrian-sponsored terror."

The state-run Syrian Arab News Agency reported that Warren's delegation supported Syria's role as regional leader and expressed concern about U.S. policies, including the war in Iraq.

"The trip seemed like a message that you cannot ignore Syria's role in the region," said Imad Fawzi Shueibi, a Damascus-based political analyst.

Warren could not be reached in Rwanda for direct comment.

But a statement issued for Warren, who founded Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., described the Nov. 10-12 visit to Syria as "neither official nor political" and said he expressed "support for President Bush, our troops in Iraq and the war on terror."

Warren, however, consulted with "Syrian experts" in the U.S. government before the trip, said his U.S.-based spokesman, Larry Ross. No other details of the discussions were available. Warren's visit comes at a time when the Bush administration is under pressure to reach out to Syria and Iran to create greater stability in the Mideast, particularly Iraq.

Warren said in the statement that the trip was initiated after his Syrian-born neighbor urged him to visit his homeland during a discussion "over their backyard fence."

Warren's meetings in Syria included representatives from Syria's Christian minority, professors and the nation's grand mufti, Ahmad Bader Hassoun.

"I believe it is a mistake to not talk to nations considered hostile - isolation and silence has never solved conflict anywhere, whether between spouses or between nations," Warren said in the statement Ross released Thursday.

In July, Warren postponed a planned visit to North Korea, which is under huge international pressures to suspend its nuclear weapons program. But he is still invited to preach in March at the first outdoor Christian event in North Korea since 1945, Ross said.

Straddling the worlds of faith and diplomacy is nothing new for religious leaders. In 1977, Graham preached in communist Hungary, the first of his pioneering forays in the Soviet bloc. Pope John Paul II, the globe-trotting pontiff who experienced totalitarianism firsthand in his native Poland, is credited with helping bring about the end of communism with his travels abroad.

Warren cited Graham and John Paul as models in an interview about his planned trip to North Korea with the PBS show "Religion & Ethics Newsweekly" earlier this year.

"People say, 'Well, you're being a pawn. You're being used,' and things like that. The truth is I want to get the Good News out," Warren said. "My reasoning is: why not? There are people in North Korea that have not heard for 60 years there is a God."

Mark Noll, an expert in American evangelical trends at the University of Notre Dame, said Warren may be reaching a crossroads.

His ministry and writings have only faint political undertones. But he may be drawn into a political arena by the weight of his own celebrity.

"There's a trend that religious figures - once they get a certain level of visibility and fame - seem to get pulled into politics," said Noll. "Warren is at this stage. The question is whether he is looking for new worlds to conquer."


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To: Dark Skies
Rick Warren says was inspired by a backyard chat with a Muslim neighbor

This caught my attention, so I looked.

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61 posted on 11/17/2006 7:01:51 PM PST by razorback-bert (I met Bill Clinton once but he didn?t really talk ? he was hitting on my wife)
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To: Dark Skies
It's interesting that your demand that the Alawites be considered to be Moslem is very much in line with Sadr's opinion ~ he's the guy running the Shia militia in Iraq shooting at our troops.

BTW, he's the ONLY Moslem anybody currently credits with arguing that Alawites are real Moslems.

62 posted on 11/17/2006 7:35:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Jedidah
Ah but have you not read Christ's other words about many coming in His name claiming to be Christians, and for us not to be deceived. Course that would require some discernment and at least basic knowledge about what Christ said would be.
63 posted on 11/17/2006 7:49:54 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: muawiyah
Then why not enlighten us instead of spreading your usual deconstructionist crap.

Some people try to spread the light...some stir the shiite.

Obvious, eh! Go bother someone else!

64 posted on 11/17/2006 8:07:49 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies
Look, it's pretty obvious to everyone that you do Sadr's bidding on these threads when you are here.

Even your claim to be a Christian are highly suspect ~ too many things wrong in the way you apply Christian teaching to various situations.

Then, there's your stream of attacks on me ~ 2 minutes reference to my FR homepage would provide you as much enlightenment as you need.

I won't be surprised at all to find you "coming out" and telling us that negotiations with the nutcases in Syria is exactly what "W" ought to do.

65 posted on 11/17/2006 8:16:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Sorry. Don't have the time to visit your homepage.

It is still obvious that you prefer spreading confusion instead of clarity...yup. Deconstructionist.

That's you.

You're not a muslim, just a confusing element. A deconstructionist.

A liar.

Just go away!

66 posted on 11/17/2006 8:23:22 PM PST by Dark Skies ("He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that" ... John Stuart Mill)
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To: Dark Skies

Why does everyone think they just have to get into the act? This is BS. Either stay home and preach or run for Congress or Hollywood.


67 posted on 11/17/2006 9:05:38 PM PST by Hattie
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To: Dark Skies

Anyone who cares to, can get a good perspective of what Rick Warren is all about here.

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/


68 posted on 11/17/2006 9:22:37 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: Cecily
How do you know we would never attempt it? You have no idea what people here do or have done.

You seem indignant that someone would question you. Why? Why are you so defensive? You were last night as well. You have no problem dishing it out. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

I notice some of the same know-it-all - hoilier-than -thou types are out again to trash Rick Warren. It's amusing that you know-it-all types are so defensive when even slightly questioned :-)

69 posted on 11/17/2006 9:28:57 PM PST by Sunsong
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To: Jedidah

"I didn't suggest that they WANT it. I said they NEED it. And I applaud anyone with the courage to try.

As I said in an earlier post, it's easy for us armchair Christians to sit back and criticize behind our firewalls. Eating our own, for shame.

When Christ said, "Do not judge," he wasn't talking about saying when sin is sin. He said not to judge a brother. Who on this thread is so full of himself as to judge Warren's motives when he's making an effort that most of us would never attempt?"

And who are you to judge me?


70 posted on 11/18/2006 5:25:43 AM PST by RoadTest ( He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. -Rev. 3:6)
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To: Jedidah
Well said.
We would all do well to leave that whole judging thing to someone more qualified. I wonder if their was criticism of Billy Graham when he went behind the iron curtain.
71 posted on 11/18/2006 10:30:24 AM PST by Valin (Rick Santorum 08)
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To: The Worthless Miracle
I seem to remember Jesus preaching to multitudes....

But maybe I'm wrong.....

72 posted on 11/18/2006 10:34:03 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Valin
No I did not criticize Billy Graham for that trip but I will criticize him any time I get the chance for bringing the Clintons upon on his altar to religiously and politically bless them.

Want to know how Hillry intends to be the next President, she will use these as her path cleaners. Remember love that sinner....
73 posted on 11/18/2006 10:34:10 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Hegemony Cricket
Perhaps RW is planning another book - with islam in mind - could call it "The Purpose Driven Death"?

Hehehehe...snicker, snicker....LOL!!

74 posted on 11/18/2006 10:35:09 AM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: Osage Orange

Jesus taught the multitude in parables, only in private did he explain what the parables actual meant.

He said understanding was not given to the masses then, but we this day have both the parables and the explanation of what the parables actual meant.


75 posted on 11/18/2006 10:36:36 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Osage Orange

I seem to remember Jesus preaching to multitudes....

I know, but it seems so extravagant and overdone


76 posted on 11/18/2006 11:05:50 AM PST by The Worthless Miracle (I think Jamie Dupree is annoying.)
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To: The Worthless Miracle
Dear Worthless.....

How do you know?

77 posted on 11/18/2006 12:12:26 PM PST by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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To: My2Cents
Define "Good News."

That's simple. The Surface Driven Life.
78 posted on 11/19/2006 1:49:59 PM PST by farmer18th
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To: taxesareforever

The only reasons why I could see someone like Warren going to Syria is to try to get better treatment of Christians in the muslim communities.


79 posted on 11/19/2006 1:56:00 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: farmer18th

Good one.


80 posted on 11/19/2006 3:42:59 PM PST by My2Cents
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