Posted on 11/16/2006 8:23:50 PM PST by Arec Barrwin
Mostafa Tabatabainejad, 23, was tasered after he refused to provide ID and would not leave. He starts screaming
"DON"T TOUCH ME! Don't touch-zzzzzzzzzzzt!" "Here's your Patriot Act! Here's your-zzzzzzzzzzt!"
Lesson #1: When the police ask you to do something, do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E
Ah -- you have no experience with this kind of thing, then.
That is flat-out false.
If Hulk Hogan wanted to struggle, dragging him out, someone is going to get hurt.
Pick any average young man around you. Then you and 2 other men try and lift him while he just struggles, wriggling.
Try it, then get back to me.
You don't understand what we're talking about, here.
My point exactly.
I've been tazered, in a training class.
Have you?
It's not that bad.
From a lippy kid with an attitude to the gung-ho cowboys in police uniforms.
America is rapidly losing all civilized decorum and sense of personal respect.
I'm off to do some Christmas shopping.
Failure to comply will get you zapped.
BUMP
Nonsense. I have seen the police cart 200 plus lbs, combative drunks from Dolphin Stadium on several occasions. It is literally impossible to overcome 3 or more police while handcuffed, or to even put up any kind of serious fight. If leg kicking becomes an issue, then leg restraints can be applied, a technique I have also seen used with my own eyes on a combative subject.
The police are trained to handle people in this condition. That's a major part of their training, and a major part of their reason for being in society - to subdue combative lawbreakers. There's way to do it right, within the law and within reason.
Tasering a subject to get him to move is not within the law and not within reason, as these UCLA cops are about to find out in spades.
Wow. You are right. It smells like a setup and what can we(scummy muslims) can get away with(plans) so we can bomb the infidels.
Spot on!
Seem very low angle so it could have been a hidden camera.
Thank you for the compliments.
I am honored.
UCLA student stunned by Taser plans suit
By Stuart Silverstein, Times Staff Writer
November 17, 2006
The UCLA student stunned with a Taser by a campus police officer has hired a high-profile civil rights lawyer who plans to file a brutality lawsuit.
The videotaped incident, which occurred after the student refused requests to show his ID card to campus officers, triggered widespread debate on and off campus Thursday about whether use of the Taser was warranted. It was the third in a recent series of local incidents captured on video that raise questions about arrest tactics.
Attorney Stephen Yagman said he plans to file a federal civil rights lawsuit accusing the UCLA police of "brutal excessive force," as well as false arrest. The lawyer also provided the first public account of the Tuesday night incident at UCLA's Powell Library from the student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a 23-year-old senior.
He said that Tabatabainejad, when asked for his ID after 11 p.m. Tuesday, declined because he thought he was being singled out because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Yagman said Tabatabainejad is of Iranian descent but is a U.S.-born resident of Los Angeles.
The lawyer said Tabatabainejad eventually decided to leave the library but when an officer refused the student's request to take his hand off him, the student fell limp to the floor, again to avoid participating in what he considered a case of racial profiling. After police started firing the Taser, Tabatabainejad tried to "get the beating, the use of brutal force, to stop by shouting and causing people to watch. Generally, police don't want to do their dirties in front of a lot of witnesses."
He said Tabatabainejad was hit by the Taser five times and suffered "moderate to severe contusions" on his right side.
UCLA officials declined to respond directly to Yagman's statements, saying they still were conducting their internal investigation of the incident.
The university said earlier, however, that Tabatabainejad was asked for his ID as part of a routine nightly procedure to make sure that everyone using the library after 11 p.m. is a student or otherwise authorized to be there. Campus officials have said the long-standing policy was adopted to ensure students' safety.
UCLA also said that Tabatabainejad refused repeated requests by a community service officer and regular campus police to provide identification or to leave. UCLA said the police decided to use the Taser to incapacitate Tabatabainejad only after the student urged other library patrons to join his resistance.
Some witnesses disputed that account, saying that when campus police arrived, Tabatabainejad had begun to walk toward the door.
In a prepared statement released late Thursday, UCLA's interim chancellor, Norman Abrams, urged the public to "withhold judgment" while the campus police department investigates. "I, too, have watched the videos, and I do not believe that one can make a fair judgment regarding the matter from the videos alone. I am encouraged that a number of witnesses have come forward and are participating in the investigation."
Meanwhile, student activists were organizing a midday rally today to protest the incident, and the Southern California office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations called for an independent investigation.
The incident follows the recent announcement that four of the campus police department's nearly 60 full-time sworn officers had won so-called Taser Awards granted by the manufacturer of the device to "law enforcement officers who save a life in the line of duty through extraordinary use of the Taser." The award stemmed from an incident in which officers subdued a patient who allegedly threatened staff at the campus' Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors.
Jeff Young, assistant police chief, declined to indicate whether any of the honored officers were among the several involved in Tuesday's incident.
stuart.silverstein@latimes.com
Zeig heil.
You are behind on the latest in technology and methods.
Tasers have two modes, probe mode which fires the darts and is paralyzing and drive-stun which is specifically designed for use in pain compliance actions like this one.
The kid was going limp, forcing the officers to lift his full body weight in classic activist passive resistance mode. Officers do not like to drag suspects as abrasions may then be used to claim brutality and it is dangerous to both the arrestee and the officers. It is much better to force the perp to walk on his own two feet and he was tased in drive-stun mode to get his compliance.
More people (like you) do not realize that tazers have two modes. Probe (paralyzing) and drive-stun which is specifically designed for pain complaince. It hurts but does not incapacitate.
Hmmm. You're right. I was obeying - or illustrating - Godwin's law. Well, it was still an appropriate response to the idiotic post.
It is a hustle.
You know what I'd do in that case? I'd break out the video camera, let them in, and then start planning my early retirement as a result of winning civil suits for unlawful actions by the cops. Of course the alternative is I could barricade the doors and take up a sniper position behind some sandbags. But since I KNOW I'm not going to win that one, and will probably have my house destroyed in the process...I think I'll stick with the first option.
What is so hard about doing what a cop tells you to do and screaming like an 8 year old girl?
Some seem to be splitting hairs about how much force was used, they should have just put him on his feet, etc., but if he wouldn't stand up they would have had to drag him down that big flight of stairs.
A lot of cops are pr!cks yes, and they would like an excuse to rough you up, do what they say and don't give them the chance, this idiot was begging for it.
No sympathy here.
Sorry, I call BS on that.
Once he is in cuffs, he is, technically, in custody, and the responsibility of the Officers present. Tazing him for not standing is going to be a tough sell to a jury when this gets to court. If three officers can't pick up and haul out a 90 pound punk with an attitude, then there is something seriously wrong. The first taze might have been justifiable, but by the fifth taze of a suspect in cuffs, it was outrageous bullying.
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