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To: presidio9
The answer is easy, requiring celibacy for the priesthood means that the church has to settle for homosexual oriented individuals. Having more homosexuals in priestly positions only increases the probability that more illicit homosexual acts will result, even though the vast majority of priests will not commit sexual acts.You need only a few to discredit the entire priesthood.Celibacy has its roots in medieval thinking and has no origin in early Christianity.The Catholic Church had better smarten up or it will be destroyed by celibacy.
91 posted on 11/16/2006 11:08:49 AM PST by Courdeleon02
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To: Courdeleon02
The Catholic Church had better smarten up or it will be destroyed by celibacy

You are joking, right? If the people who took the vow of celibacy voluntarily actually kept the promise, this wouldn't have been a scandal.

97 posted on 11/16/2006 11:14:08 AM PST by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Courdeleon02
The answer is easy, requiring celibacy for the priesthood means that the church has to settle for homosexual oriented individuals.

Untrue.

First, this thesis is illogical. Homosexually oriented Catholic priests are required to be celibate, just as heterosexual Catholic priests are required to be celibate. Logically, celibacy should present an equal barrier to the priesthood for both.

Secondly, it's been pretty well documented that some homosexual priests have deliberately screened out orthodox heterosexual men from the seminaries, using the mechanism of psychological evaluations. See the book, "Good Bye, Good Men."

Thirdly, seminaries are overflowing in Africa and other poor nations. There is a dearth of priestly vocations in Western nations largely because of our materialistic culture.

Having more homosexuals in priestly positions only increases the probability that more illicit homosexual acts will result, even though the vast majority of priests will not commit sexual acts. You need only a few to discredit the entire priesthood.

True.

Celibacy has its roots in medieval thinking and has no origin in early Christianity.

Unless you count the statements of Jesus and St. Paul which advocate celibacy for those who can accept it. The Catholic Church had better smarten up or it will be destroyed by celibacy.

Well, celibacy has been around in various forms within the Church for over 2000 years, and the Church continues to grow.

102 posted on 11/16/2006 11:21:25 AM PST by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Courdeleon02
requiring celibacy for the priesthood means that the church has to settle for homosexual oriented individuals.

So all my priest friends are gay?

Celibacy has its roots in medieval thinking and has no origin in early Christianity.

St. Paul would disagree with you:

"To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is well for them to remain single as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry." (1 Cor 7:8-9).

Our Lord would also disagree with you:

"Not all can accept this word, but only those to whom it is granted. Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of God. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it" (Matt. 19:11–12).

138 posted on 11/16/2006 11:46:47 AM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Courdeleon02
The answer is easy, requiring celibacy for the priesthood means that the church has to settle for homosexual oriented individuals.

No, it doesn't. I have known many priest in my 53 years, and there is only one of whom I can say I might have had doubts about his sexual orientation. I have known a few men who left the priesthood to marry, unfortunately, a couple of them found that marriage wasn't the answer either. Again, I believe it is because they were not taught HOW to be chaste and the importance of that state for their vow of celibacy, and they thought that marriage would cure whatever longing they had.

The vast majority of priests I have known have been stable, content men. I will admit I'm prejudiced because my husband's brother is a priest, and has been for over 35 years.

257 posted on 11/16/2006 2:07:42 PM PST by SuziQ
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