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Is a Bush-Pelosi Amnesty Ahead?
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| 11/16/2006
| Patrick Buchanan
Posted on 11/16/2006 4:22:15 AM PST by peyton randolph
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To: wouldntbprudent
There is substantial support for enforcement of the borders. There is no substantial support for mass deportation (the common view of what is the opposite of amnesty). Who, can you cite, (including the most staunch pro-border-enforcement types, such as Tancredo and Hayworth) has EVER suggested a policy or proposal of "mass deportation."
Guess I just landed from Mars as I have NEVER seen or heard anyone suggest such a ludicrous suggestion--although if you were inclined to bone up on your history, I believe Eisenhower did just that.
There comes a point where to survive politically a *political party* has to work within the constraints of *political realities.* Failure to do so is what kills parties---unless, of course, the party is killed from within by a small group of people who won't accept political realities.
Don't know where your political philosophic lies, but this statement leads me to believe you might be in the "moderate" wing.
The lets all hold hands, sing Cumbaya and try to "go along to get along" will lead us all down that garden path and slippery slop to extinction.
Conservatives want a party (and leaders) who will fight for our values and if we don't find any, I fear that Illegal Immigration Legislation, which appears now destined to be implemented, will turn so many Conservatives away from the party, that even a Hitlery candidacy will not bring us back to the fold in 08.
To: twonie
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posted on
11/16/2006 4:59:39 AM PST
by
IM2MAD
To: Dane
You miss my point!There will be no respect for the law unless we punish criminals and that's what "illegals"are.If we are going to reward criminality then we should reward our own first."Inclusiveness"is a weakness just like "tolerance"and builds a "tower of babel",which was never completed by the way!
To: Traditional Vet
I am not a moderate, I am conservative.
The fact is that the reigning public perception of anything less than some sort of amnesty/guest worker program is "mass deportation."
And, yes, mass deportation has been advocated here on FR.
My point is that, regardless whether "mass deportation" is a a policy proposal, it is, in fact, how the public perceives anything that precludes people already here (illegally) from staying here (legally).
It may not be the true choice, but it is the choice as perceived by the public.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:06:11 AM PST
by
wouldntbprudent
(If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
To: INSENSITIVE GUY
You miss my point!There will be no respect for the law unless we punish criminals and that's what "illegals"are.If we are going to reward criminality then we should reward our own first. Yeah know lots of people violated the speed limit and those laws were changed.
What we have now is a mess and most voters want change, probably including a guest worker program and English recognized as the official language. They do not like the harsh rhetoric and tin foil theories and talks of mass deportations.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:06:39 AM PST
by
Dane
("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
To: meyer
your number (in the millions) is on the low side - IMHO
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:11:11 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: meyer
"It's a stupid question. Of course a Bush - Pelosi amnesty is on its way. It'll be at least as bad as the one supported by the Republican Senate last year, and will ruin what's left of the United States of America. We can ill afford to add 10-20 million or more future liberal dependents on to the taxpayer's rolls."
I still would like to hear the plan for deporting 11 million illegals, taking companies away from those that do hire illegals and filling all those jobs that illegals work at.
I would also like to hear about those that do hire illegals, if their businesses have to close because they cannot afford insurance and benefits for their employees what they are going to do and how that will affect the economy.
I'm not for amnesty. However, I don't see how deporting 11 million illegals is going to work logistically. Can someone please show me that plan because I am interested in seeing how we are going to undertake this project.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:12:59 AM PST
by
EQAndyBuzz
(I thank the RNC for freeing me to vote my values rather then political party. It is liberating!)
To: Dane
Screw the election results, DANE! This ship was sailing long before Bush even took office. 80% of Americans want this ship sunk. Those who do not, are traitors and should be treated as such.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:13:29 AM PST
by
wolfcreek
(Suegna como si vivieras para siempre; vive como si fueses a morir hoy.)
To: INSENSITIVE GUY
Don't worry that will be next in the lawsuits, and there will be precedence for those lawsuit because of amnesty.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:14:04 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: From One - Many
lawsuit should be plural with an (s).....for there will not be only one.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:17:03 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: EQAndyBuzz
Refer to the IKE plan for deportation.....
IKE knew how to rid the nation of illegals and he did.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:20:34 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: Dane
harsh rhetoric of mass deportations or attacks on ones ethnicity.
You can repeat that crap as often as you like but, it's not the truth. La Raza might appreciate your twisting of opinion but, the people who really care about this country, see it as double-speak. Pathetic!
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:24:39 AM PST
by
wolfcreek
(Suegna como si vivieras para siempre; vive como si fueses a morir hoy.)
To: Dane
Once this country loses its majority culture it is done for.I cannot understand why you want this to happen unless you are against America.Every culture should stay in their OWN COUNTRY.There is no good reason for mixing cultures,it is counterproductive,besides the majority does'nt want them here and the majority should rule.I am tired of making allowances for every crybaby that comes down the pike.
To: peyton randolph
"I detest Buchanan."
Why?
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:25:59 AM PST
by
seppel
To: deport
I can give two examples here in my state. Rep Tom Osborne, who is just short of deity status in Nebraska, lost the Republican gubernatorial primary to Dave Heineman. This was considered the biggest political upset in state history and many blamed the loss on T.O.'s support for "comprehensive reform". (I voted for Tom for other reasons but did not support his stand on immigration)
Pete Ricketts was crushed by Ben Nelson in the Nebraska senate race. This was in spite of the fact that he invested $15-20 million of his own money and was a very conservative candidate in a conservative state. One of the contributing factors in the race was Pete's support for the McCain bill in the Senate. He was tagged from the get go as pro amnesty and it stuck. Nelson, on the other hand, was very much against McCain and made it abundantly clear during the race. (I voted for Ricketts because a)I work for his company and know him to be a genuine conservative guy and b) a vote for Nelson was still a vote for Harry Reid)
I still don't believe that shamnesty has anywhere near majority support in the Republican Party. I know that W is not a true conservative but I still cannot for the life of me understand why is so supportive of this horrible policy.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:28:25 AM PST
by
Big Red Clay
(Greetings from the Big Red State)
To: wouldntbprudent
but it is the choice as perceived by the public.
Prove it! I doubt you can because it's the same crap We hear every day from La Raza and the OBL.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:31:04 AM PST
by
wolfcreek
(Suegna como si vivieras para siempre; vive como si fueses a morir hoy.)
To: peyton randolph
"Bush is wrong but doesn't care."
Bush does care. That's why he does not mind the election outcome. Passing the amnesty is his greatest goal. They are trying to lock the hispanic vote into the GOP just like the Dems have locked the black vote into the Donkey party by passing the Civil Rights act, which was as deeply repugnant to many white Dem followers as the amnesty issue is to many white GOP followers. They figure that many GOPpers will vomit for now but in the long run vote GOP anyway.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:31:46 AM PST
by
seppel
To: seppel
Just as Ronald Reagan said, "I didn't leave the Democrat Party, they left me."
Substitute one word (regrettably) and find out what is going to happen.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:35:40 AM PST
by
From One - Many
(Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
To: wouldntbprudent
If you spread the mass deportation over time it becomes normal deportation, as practised by many law angencies all over the western world (incl. Israel). The only reason you even need to consider mass deportation is because the INS and its masters have been sleeping for 20 years.
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:35:43 AM PST
by
seppel
To: peyton randolph
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posted on
11/16/2006 5:36:56 AM PST
by
sport
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