NO TO RUDI

Nealz Nuze ^ | 11/15/06 | Neal Boortz

[steve-b]

Earlier this week we learned that Rudolph Giuliani has filed papers to form an exploratory committee. That's the first step to running for president. Well .. .it didn't take long for the religious right to announce that up with this they will not put. Colleen Parro, the head of some group called the Republican National Coalition for Life says that Giuliani is "absolutely unacceptable under any circumstances." The two issues she cited? Homosexuals and abortion.

Now ... what was it I said earlier this week that made so many zealots so unhappy? Oh yeah .. it was something about us needing a political movement dedicated to individual and economic liberty, limited government with a strong defense, cutting government spending, school choice and strong capitalist instincts .. and one that had no desire to force the people of this country to live under any particular codification of religious dogma.

Good luck on that.

[JCEccles]

Giuliani understood the link between allowing people to urinate on the streets with impunity and New York City’s overall decline. Outside New York, on the Republican campaign trail, he is sure to meet many voters who understand that his positions on abortion and marriage do to our national culture exactly what the street people and pub crawlers did to New York.

Great quote.

And you're right. It points up a hopelessly opaque blind spot in the libertarian perspective. For some inexplicable reason libertarians think that these "personal choices" have no effect whatsoever on anyone but the people who make them.

But in truth they undermine and destroy the very foundation of the house (this nation) that we all live in. Social liberalism is a destructive and deadly corrosive, far more destructive and deadly over the long term than even fiscal liberalism--which is vile enough.

If most people still subscribed and conformed their behaviors to conservative moral principles (a benefit of conservative religious belief), libertarianism might work.

But in this post-modern world where many have repudiated conservative moral principles there is no counter-corrosive to keep the foundation from crumbling. The destruction on a small scale leads to destruction on a broader scale, and we find ourselves living in a hellish society trending to implode and collapse upon itself in a chaotic heap of social libertarian anarchy and fiscal welfare state extravagence.

[epow]

Hence the people put an activist on the court.

I guess I misunderstood your first response to my post. Now that I understand what you're saying I agree, we the people in a general sense put people like Ginsberg on the court. In fact, it was a president who we conservatives elected who appointed Souter. That act alone would make Bush 41 anathema in my eyes even if he had performed well in every other way.

[juliej]

Correct: Rudy was part of the culture of death - and you don't have to be RELIGIOUS to believe this. I was very disappointed by his support of partial birth abortion, a heinous act done to a preborn baby. I also believe that he became a pro abort to placate the libs in New York City, which shows he did not have core beliefs on the subject.

[juliej]

PA is now a blue state, and TAlent was outspent. Allen ran against the Washington Post. In Congress it was mostly lib Republicans who lost, especially in the northeast.

[juliej]

Captain Kirk: "If W. doesn't want to use the army, perhaps he will let me borrower it" (to paraphrase Lincoln's statement about McClellan's dithering). the point being, is that we are not fighting hard enough in Iraq and McClellan was a disaster!

[juliej]

It is the courts that imposed unrestricted abortion rights and gay marriage down people's throats.

[Blackirish]

It isn't as important to me how a candidate will vote or act on a major moral issue such as abortion or homosexual marriage as is his or her personal belief on the issues

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For me thats how you pick your preacher.... Not the President of the United States. With your standards the nominee will be some guy like George Allen...his mind is right but he's unelectable.

[Branzburg]

his position on 'marriage' is plain enough looking at his own history of faith in the covenant of marriage.

I'm not buying Manhattan brand conservatism even if Neil is pushing it.

[MichaelP]

I will support Rudy, or McCain, or anybody who wins the nomination. Have we learned nothing?

Mike

[epow]

Bush was right on both issues I mentioned and he was also electable, twice.

It's all about character, if a man or woman has a high moral character he or she will not approve killing unborn babies or granting same sex couples the right to marry.

AFAIC if a man or woman doesn't have a good moral character he/she can't be trusted and isn't qualified to be chief executive of the USA. We should have learned that lesson well from our experience with Clinton, whose moral character is on the same level as a bitch dog in heat.

[Petronski]

NO TO TOOTIE!

[Blackirish]

Bush was right on both issues I mentioned and he was also electable, twice.

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Perfect example. In your view he is a good man who with high moral character....so what?...the border is a mess..spending...Iraq...big government nanny state-ism....this administration gets a generous c-

Clinton would mop up W in an election if were held now.

[cpforlife.org]

Rudi and Hellery are the same on abortion and the homosexual agenda. Also probably cloning, embryonic stem cell research, and how many other social issues that are at the core of the problems in our culture.

NO TO RUDI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[cpforlife.org]

"The only influence that the President has on abortion is by virtue of his role in appointing Supreme Court justices."

In todays situation that is THE ONLY POSSIBILITY FOR CHANGE.

No other constitutional options are as remotely possible as this.

Or as close.

Many SCOTUS watchers believe that it hangs by a one vote margin. IF Stevens, the most liberal on the court, and who is 85 or 86 were replaced by another Alito/Scalia, it is possible that the whole socialistic culture of death that the demoncrats have built through the courts will start progressivly crashing down, over time and new cases.

"The only influence that the President has" is the whole ball of wax.

[Texagirl4W]

We need to be in fervent prayer for someone who comes as close to our values on anti-abortion as President Reagan and President Bush. My tagline during the 04 election was "If President Bush loses the election because of his stand on abortion, he is still a winner." I believed that then and I still feel that way today.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Libertarians need to learn to live with the fact that we aren't going to abide on demand abortion, euthanasia, and embryonic stem cell research.

Libertarians don't support these anyway, so your point is moot.

[Raquel]

I live in New York and I loved Rudi as Mayor. He did reduce government, and clean up New York, and was a well-deserved hero after 9/11. But it's so important for libertarians to realize that supporting social conservatism is in line with the same views libertarians hold, less government, low taxes, school choice, ect. I disagree that social conservatives are weak on these ideals. The so-called right to abortion, was forced upon Americans by the U.S. Supreme Court, opening the door to 33 years of death, sickness, violence and the continuing breakdown of the family.

"...and one that had no desire to force the people of this country to live under any particular codification of religious dogma."

Acknowledging life in the womb doesn't necessarily have anything to do with religious dogma, but more a scientific realty. The crime of murder is also codified with religious dogma, but no one questions whether punishing murderers is persuaded by religious dogma. The right to life is intrinsic to all other liberties. Not respecting life from conception to natural death weakens all other rights.

Rudi's on the wrong side on this one. There is no guarantee that he would choose conservative judges for the Supreme Court, and his pro-gun control position is wrong for America. The UN wants our guns, and Planned Parenthood wants our children, why a patriot like Rudi would support these powerful lobbies is beyond me.

I can not vote for Rudi on a state or national level.

[jla]

Steve B berates SFD, "Please stick to the subject and do not spam the thread with irrelevancies."
SFD's transgression? Why he pointed out the Constitutional requirements for ratification of amendments. Damn him!

SFD...The Rudyophiles will distort the truth and malign the conservatives if they think it can silence the latter's criticisms of the Ignoble One. I've even seen them attempt to deviously paint Liz as an anti-Semite because she dares speak out on Giuliani's biggest cheerleader, Ken Mehlman.

Like Sir Rudy, very many of his supporters have absolutely no shame.

[L.N. Smithee]

America needs a Patton in the White House, not a Falwell.

Yep...looks like Patton to me.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Steve B berates SFD, "Please stick to the subject and do not spam the thread with irrelevancies." SFD's transgression? Why he pointed out the Constitutional requirements for ratification of amendments. Damn him!

The federal government has every right to be involved in cultural issues within the framework provided by the Constitution. The states ratify or reject this.

People who spout that the federal government has no involvement and such issues should be left exclusively to the individual states have no clue, are simply too intellectually lazy to read what Article V actually says, or they are being deceptive.

The states all agreed to this prior to their admission into the union. I will rub their faces into the dung of their own ignorance and/or dishonesty every time it comes up...

ARE ALL CULTURES EQUAL ???

HELL NO!

Only a cultural Marxist would think so...