Posted on 11/15/2006 4:31:47 AM PST by shrinkermd
"Iraq will continue to be a violence racked hell hole until this happens, and it is our fault for thinking Muslims could live in a peaceful democratic society like we do. Muslims are incapable of that, and we should have known, and planned for that reality before we invaded Iraq."
We should have planned for that 50 years ago. Political Correctness changed the political landscape. Someone still believes that western civilization can effectively communicate with a race of people that have known nothing but slaughter and genocide for their entire existence.
If all Hell breaks loose because of an Iraqi pull-out, Moron.org will quietly disband and the MSM will pretend it never existed and the American's apparent very-short memory will facillitate its disappearance. Soros will simply bail on America after something hits the fan. He has done it to country after country.
Yep, and the Dems will be hurting for $$$ then. It's very easy to stand outside the political process and hurl rhetorical firebombs, but when you have to actually lead and make decisions, you're going to tick somebody off. They get to choose whether to tick off Joe Sixpack and lose votes, or tick off Move-on/Soros and lose money and activists. Like I said, in a perverse sort of way, I'm beginning to enjoy this.
It's the one line no sane state would cross...
But if like me you seem to be observing a project with enormous sunk costs consuming increasing quantities of limited resources with little prospect of success and no end in sight under either the present management or it's potential successors, it just makes you want to bang your head on the desk that much harder.
If the all of the Senators, Congressmen/women, and MSM got the hell out of the way and stopped trying to run this war instead of allowing the military, who are trained to do this, it would have been won already. They are too soft on the militants. Gitmo is a fine example of that.
And, besides that, I'd rather my money when to the military & their needs than to so called "fine arts", universities to study studies, and pork programs no one wants to give up, and to the countless dollars we lose out on when we loan money to other countries and never get paid back.
I don't worry about how much is spent on the war as long as it goes to giving the military what they need to win the damn thing.
BTW, part of the cost you're probably referring to is money given to the Iraqi government and people to help rebuild. I'm willing to bet that the slums they are helping to rebuild was not the fault of the US military, but their wealth-crazed ruler.
IMO
Bumping that!
Thank GOD you are NOT in charge.
I thought the article was pretty interesting since it's from NY Times and involved Dems. I was just saying to Allegra that I think they (Dems) will find that it's not so easy to do as they think.
We need to keep note, me thinks.
A serious question: define "win", them give us an estimate of the time and resources required to achieve it.
They are too soft on the militants...
Both the Shiite and Sunni "militants" have the support much of their respective "civilian" populations - they have (and exercise) the option of being part-time fighters otherwise indistinguishable from the civilian population.
Of course, one can undertake to collectively punish the civilian population for their support of the "militants", for example that's the policy of which the previous leadership of Iraq as recently been convicted and sentenced to hang.
Sure do! And the last thing we need is for the Repubs to start whining and giving up.
What is the source of your information? And I'd like links.
Have you spoken to any of those already in Iraq? Or are you gleaming your information for the MSM?
I DO believe the US can finish this because they already HAVE achieved a great deal of the objectives.
Anyone who doesn't believe that we are on our way to winning this is giving far too much credence to the media. This is not some TV show where everything gets wrapped up nice and neatly in a prescribed amount of time. This is a war.
By the way, we in Iraq would like to extend a hearty thanks to all of you advocating cut-and-run. The terrorists have heard you and they are ramping up the attacks, significantly increasing the danger to every American here.
The terrorists are on YOUR side.
Think about that.
Very well said.
It aggravates me to no end that people claiming to be conservative think that giving up is the way to go. Meanwhile you and others with the boots on the ground pay the price of the quitter mentality with their lives.
If in fact the worst case outcome in Iraq comes to pass - the bloody subjugation of the Sunni minority by the Shiite majority and the creation of a vassal state of Iran - IMO it would make little difference to the security of the US.
We are currently facing a host of far more serous challenges - for example, the very real possibility of a takeover of Pakistan by Islamic Fundamentalists who will then have immediate access to nuclear weapons and theater delivery systems - that make our difficulties in Iraq quite insignificant by comparison.
Or - to look at it another way - if North Korea invaded the South tomorrow, does anyone here doubt that the following day we would be redeploying from Iraq without even bothering to wave goodbye?
IMO our continues presence in Iraq isn't about strategic imperatives nearly as much as it's about the fact that the US political establishment can’t find a face saving way out of this mess.
Thanks again, cut-and-runners!
With all due respect, sir, that's a load of horse shit.
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