Posted on 11/14/2006 3:00:14 PM PST by Paul Ross
Navy officials confirmed yesterday that an aircraft carrier battle group failed to detect a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk. Anti-submarine defenses for the carrier battle group will be reviewed as a result, they said.
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Agreed. But instead they plan on just relying for the forseeable future on the helicopters, such as the slower and shorter-range MH-60R, which of course implies a degree of unseriousness for defense of capital ships that is alarming.
In WW-II we nearly lost the war in the Atlantic against the U-Boats because there was a Naval Admiral who was tasked with dealing with the submarine threat... He let his anti-British bias get in the way. He refused to incorporate the learning that the British had achieved. Wouldn't do convoys. Wouldn't do fast escorts...loaded for bear... with sonar. Etc.
If this neglect of ASW isn't a Chi-Comm mole or other Panda-Hugger misdeed... I would suspect somebody high-up in the Pentagon echelon who has some kind of similar mental hang-up about effective ASW even yet today...
I'd bet they surfaced within range because they were told to. Or else!
Bingo. I LOVE to list off countries with submarine capabilities just to see the looks on peoples faces...
Since you brought Pandas into this thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yis7DTXe03M
Well for sure... but that's likely not even their major concern. There appears be a serious need for an attitude adjustment internally at the Pentagon. No amount of money will fix this problem of laxness of attitude. An attitude on display for all to see:
How else do you account for Admiral Gary Roughhead supposedly being mystified about China's intent??!
And if the attitude gets fixed, then the money issues might get better too. Albeit...it will be more than a little uphill with the RATs running Congress now.
If it were a mere budgetary gimmick...it should have been leaked a heck of lot earlier than this election.
Not if they hope to deter us from any strong defense of Taiwan or of intervention in N. Korea...or Iran for that matter.
As for countermeasures...they likely saw all that we are decommissioning...and have concluded that we can't restore the lost muscles on the flabby frame quickly enough to turn this around. It is possible, that in their judgment, the "window of their opportunity" has opened. They are alerting us to give up our allies without a fight...or else. And they are calling our bluff that we can't...or won't... fix our decrepit and dilapidated ASW capabilities before they make their move.
You're right.
That could have been fully addressed with deployment of enough nuclear escort ships, (unfortunately produced as only one-of-a-kind )
USS Long Beach (CGN-9)
And the Bainbridge (CGN 25):
All three (inclusive of the USS Enterprise) together on cruise in Operation SeaOrbit.
http://rapidrecon.threatswatch.org/2006/11/chinas-accelerated-taiwan-plan/
China's Accelerated Taiwan Plan
Fred
In an analysis published at Monsters & Critics, I noted that recent U.S. intelligence reports indicate that communist China has accelerated preparations for a possible invasion of Taiwan. While the United States remains engaged in the War on Terror, Chinas grand strategy - which includes the retaking of Taiwan - remains unchanged and even aided by Americas engagement elsewhere. As Taiwans American protector focuses on the Middle East and terrorism, Taiwan and China tensions continue apace.
Offered are three primary pro-active military steps aimed at enhancing Taiwans defense and deterring China from offensive military operations against the island.
First, the Bush administration must convince its allies, the American public and in many ways itself, that a growing body of evidence from the construction of enormous underground bunkers near the city of Shanghai to the development of offensive nuclear weapons proves without question that China has become a clear and present danger to U.S. global interests and world peace.
Second, U.S. force posture in the western Pacific, already being reinforced, should continue, with the addition of another aircraft carrier to the Pacific fleet, amphibious landing ships and support vessels, long-range bombers, attack submarines and fighter aircraft. Existing assets located on the islands of Guam, Japan and Hawaii should be strengthened with the introduction of land-based anti-missile defense batteries and sea-based Aegis ships, creating a tiered-defense umbrella to protect against any Chinese aggression.
Third, during the first few hours of any conflict with China, it will be critical for U.S. armed forces to not only withstand an attack, but also to organize an effective counter-offensive projecting concentrated power at multiple points to eliminate any immediate or latent threats. To achieve this objective, U.S. forces dispersed throughout Asia and the western Pacific must be given the ability to quickly consolidate, making any offensive military operations undertaken by Chinas newly christened combat forces extremely difficult.
China increasingly believes it can undertake a lightening strike on Taiwan, occupying the island using a strategy of overwhelming, intense and concentrated force, making the potential costs of island defense and reclamation far too costly for Washington. By making adjustments to improve overall force strength, diversity and rapid-strike capabilities, the U.S can keep Beijing tactically off-balance, making any first strike by Chinas military a catastrophic proposition. Finally, with the assistance of our allies in Asia, a new collective defense strategy must be put in place that assures Taiwans sovereignty, independent of Beijings communist influence.
How the United States responds to the Chinese military posture towards Taiwan will have significant influence over the Chinese communist leaderships decision making process with regards to military action against Taiwan.
As I asked at the conclusion of the analysis offered, could Washington live with a communist controlled Taiwan, or will it defend Taiwan against unwarranted aggression? We may soon find out.
We had had nine nuclear powered cruisers that were very capable of keeping up with the carriers...and now they are all gone. Such a shame...and such a waste. They carried twin standard missile launchers, and like the Kidd class, with the latest upgrades could be slaved to the AEGIS system or operate quite adequately alone.
Here are pictures of the Truxton, and California class and the Virginia class.
...and here is a pic of six nuclear cruisers together:
Thanks for the pictures! I miss the USS Arkansas. First one (BB) was blown up by a nuke, 2nd one blown up by a fluke (WJC).
How about if we first stop selling our submarine tech to China?
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