Posted on 11/14/2006 1:51:18 PM PST by DCBandita
The announcement by McCain, who has put together campaign organizations in many of the states with early nominating contests, was widely expected. The intentions of Giuliani, who has been less active in early organizing, had been less clear.
Giuliani's campaign team said the committee was simply an opening move designed to keep his options open, with a final decision still to come.
"This filing affords him the opportunity to raise money and put together an organization to assist him in making his decision," Giuliani adviser Anthony Carbonetti said.
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"I would like to leave it out of the mix."
I completely agree.
Let's leave abortion out of the mix.
Let's just make it all illegal, and agree we won't revisit the issue, 'kay?
Because that's the EFFECT of what you propose, but in the other direction. It is currently legal everywhere, without limits. I think it's murder. And I think that voters have the right to agitate for a system of laws they agree with. From my perspective, the 48 million babies killed in this country since Roe makes the United States about three times worse than NAzi Germany, morally. I don't think that gassing adults for their religious beliefs is morally worse than sticking a scissors into a baby's skull and sucking its brains out for convenience. Measuring morality by body count, the United States is a horrifically evil nation, in my view. Callously evil. Bored and fat evil, even, given the boredom with abortion as an issue.
Now, you are right, we are never going to agree on the issue. But SOMEBODY'S opinion is going to have to be the law. This is one of those binary situations where "live and let live" do not work, any more than "It's ok for YOU to burn minorities alive, but I'll just refrain from it and we'll be ok." It's not ok for me to do it, and I am not willing to let YOU do it either.
So, somebody has to win, and somebody has to lose.
You want the issue off the table, that's easy.
Let me win on it, let me outlaw abortion, and then we can talk about everything else. Otherweise, abortion has to be the issue which is decided by ugly brute force, because there is no other way.
I well understand it. Atheism is actively and constantly pushed in the public forums of this nation. Nothing else is allowed. It uses the fiction of "separation of church and state" as its stalking horse.
The idea that government is there to "sort out" economic problems in this context is ridiculous. By its very nature, it makes problems.
Regards, Ivan
At this point, I think you are completely wrong. Look at South Dakota's utter rejection of Draconian abortion restrictions. I believe absolutely that if it went back to the states it would generally be affirmed in the majority of them.
My problem is the access of the girl in the unlucky state (on that outlaws it) who further doesn't have means to travel to another state. That's when it becomes an equal protection issue for me.
And its going to happen tenfold if we leave Iraq before they are ready. All those innocent children in Iraq who trusted our soldiers over there and the soldiers have to live with the knowledge of what is going to happen to those precious little ones when they leave. That is just an atrocity.
Consider the following:
The investment class is using money that they have already been taxed on. That they choose to risk it and have to pay taxes on those gains is double taxation. Earning money is not amoral (if done on the up and up) and it is the willingness or people to risk capital that allows people to start businesses and create jobs. How else do you think that people are able to have some place to go to work?
That 55% of people own stocks and invest their AFTER TAX dollars is telling.
You are correct in saying that you cannot fund a war on a tax cut but you also left out the fact that you cannot fund a war, cut taxes and then boost spending the way that Bush did with NCLB and the Medicare benefit that the people getting benefits from it never funded it!
Sounds like you need to get out more. Expand your horizons, and circle of acquaintances. Some pretty interesting and good people I know vote democrat.
AGreed. In much the same way that moderate Republicans and independents jumped ranks in the midterms, I believe moderate Dems and independents would do it for Giuliani.
And I'm no fan of Hillary, btw.
It would certainly be more restricted, if not banned. And partial birth abortion would be confined at least to the benighted pits of the Blue States.
My problem is the access of the girl in the unlucky state (on that outlaws it) who further doesn't have means to travel to another state. That's when it becomes an equal protection issue for me.
That's none of the government's business. The Constitution is explicit, stating that the powers not enumerated in it are reserved to the states, or to the people. It is a piece of legislation, rather like gay marriage, that is reserved to the states.
If you follow the Democrat mantra that abortion is not something to be encouraged, perhaps you ought to be glad for a minor barrier of distance to someone reaching for the forceps and vacuum.
Ivan
Gal. ;-)
Bush didn't cut taxes, he merely deferred them.
You don't think anyone but Giuliani has that? I prefer to support a social conservative who has these qualities.
Beyond that, it is only smart politics to run a social conservative for president in 2008. If two social liberals run for president in 2008, the Democrat social liberal will win.
Social liberalism is the Democrats' natural turf. They have a huge advantage if the battle is fought there. That's a fact.
These puplic forums are what?
"It uses the fiction of "separation of church and state" as its stalking horse."
Your claim was that atheism was the official religion in the US. Your statement is not evidence of that.
Nothing "moderate" about Hillary at all. She's as left as it gets.
I simply don't accept that - you and I couldn't be father apart. As a person who WATCHED the plane go into the Pentagon, if I believed that the Democratic party was the "soft on terror" party, I wouldn't have voted for them.
You know, you can be tough on terror AND oppose the Iraq War. You can be tough on terror by doing MORE than military activities - and believe me - in working with DHS and its various directorates, MANY of the recommendations to keep us safer are not being funded nor mandated.
So why not give the Dems a chance to fight a comprehensive (rather than tunnel-visioned) war on terror?
Pardon me, sir, but the legislating about choice was done by the liberals. I am a conservative Christian and I totally despise the ATTITUDE about and against the Christian right exhibited by Hollywood, the MSM, academia, and lately by the sheep who can't think for themselves and have believed the lie that we are ignorant, easily led, and want a theocracy. An athiest or a libertarian who goes to Washington to govern, governs from his/her set of philosophical beliefs, but Christians are supposed to leave their faith at the door. Widely proclaimed to be intolerant, I submit that as a group we are very tolerant, perhaps too much so.
The liberals who made abortion into a Constitutional right made very bad law.
Originally, they climbed onto this slippery slope with opinions that were thought to limit abortion to the first trimester. Now, we have slid into the dark valley of murdering a viable baby. There is absolutely NO defence of that. Abortion has become a huge industry and has contributed to the abuse of minor females,
the use of it as a battering ram against spouses and significant others, and a substitute for birth control. It speaks of selfishness, greed, lack of control, and lawlessness; yet, the left makes it into a huge boogie man to play gotcha and freeze out the "so-called religious right."(what a condescending barfer that tagline is.
On the subject of Rudy G.--I like what he has done for NY,, and he seems to be strong in pushing through his agenda. I would vote for him before John McCain, whom I believe to be a huge ego. The trouble might be that Rudy would impose his belief system on people like me, which is exactly what Pelosi, Rangel and the rest intend to do.
You may want to watch closely and see what this new bunch of leaders voted in by so-called moderates like you want for the country. As far as I can see, they want to break the country with govt. health care (like Sweden and much of Europe), pull all our troops home and negotiate with terrorists while pretending terrorism was invented and escalated by Bush, punish the Christian Right, investigate and bring charges on Rummy, Bush et al, take John Bolton, the first effective UN Rep we have had in remembrance, out of that body so it can get on with its corruption, raise taxes, downsize the military again because after all we can be friendly with No. Korea, Iran, etc. and just show them we want to be friends.
Welcome to FR. Keep an open mind!
vaudine
I'm so glad you're comfortable with people that will facilitate the demise of this country with glee, even when they don't realize they are doing it. I won't compromise principles for the sake of being 'gracious and open' to alternative ideas and philosophies; they are based in evil. If you want to waste your time with them, so be it. All that will happen is that your principles will be questioned and perhaps some self-doubt will be induced which is the purpose of the troll's visit here anyway...anyway, I've wasted enough time with this thread...bye...
But I don't believe it's "killing" anything let alone an "individual". NO disrespect to you - because you and I will not ever interpret the situation the same way. So why should I ascribe to your moral laws when it comes to my body and we don't see the issue the same way?? Last time I checked, abortion was not designated by law to be murder.
But even if he/she were just messing with us, its best to try to make your points politely and to the point. There may be something in one of these posts that would make sense to this fellow and you could have led someone out of the failure and misery that is the democrat party.
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