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Frederick W. Kagan is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and the author of "Finding the Target: The Transformation of the American Military."
1 posted on 11/13/2006 3:10:28 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Don Rumsfeld at Princeton

2 posted on 11/13/2006 3:14:21 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: neverdem

This author is an idiot....thank you...


3 posted on 11/13/2006 3:18:27 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: neverdem

I don't agree with the author. Rummie got knifed in the back by the entrenched bureaucracy at the Pentagon, aided and abetted by the the M$M. Contrary to popular belief, we won the war - handily. And we have won the peace. Sadaam is going to be executed soon and an elected government friendly to the US is in power. Reconstruction has reached the point where more oil is pumped and more electric power generated than before the war. Yes casualties are still ocurring. One way or another US troops are a target. Personally I prefer to fight Al-queda and their ilk overseas, rather than here in the CONUS. Did anybody think that Iraq was going to look like Kansas when this was done? They've been killing each other for millenia over there.


6 posted on 11/13/2006 3:20:41 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: neverdem

I can't be bothered to read the link - I've read more than I ever intended about Rummy over the last week. I'd be surpised if it is a serious article and it doesn't allude to the following self evident truths in the post rummy era:

He was bang on right about the flexible lightweight army as a machine to beat an a nation state army. None of this Powell doctrine crap: he had Iraq's dictators out via the wonders of technology, determination and cajones with about a quarter of the numbers and cost CP would want.

He was wrong about the lightweight army model for low intensity guerilla resistance and winning a spurious 'peace'. It will never work. You gotta have a dirty, brutal, unconventional war against terrorist fruitcakes nutters - or admit defeat. They're the only choices in these situations. Sadly not too many see that at the moment.


8 posted on 11/13/2006 3:28:44 PM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: neverdem

The jerk that wrote the article couldn't shine Rummy's shoes.


10 posted on 11/13/2006 3:39:37 PM PST by Cobra64 (Why is the War on Terror being managed by the DEFENSE Department?)
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To: neverdem

frederick is so far up himself he deserves honorable mention. How, just how did he do it?


11 posted on 11/13/2006 3:42:26 PM PST by himno hero
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To: neverdem
No, Rummy did what he was tasked to do. Drag the military out of the Cold War and into the 21st Century, and to kick a$$ in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Why isn't the Department of State taking more heat (hello, Fmr. Secetrary Powell) for the political failures in Iraq?

Politics is State's domain, breaking things is Defense's.

15 posted on 11/13/2006 3:53:33 PM PST by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: neverdem

You mean he is another Dincon lurching for the tar-pit of historic failures. YEAH, we should have rebuilt the Cold War Military to face a new threat. That would of been really "smart"

NOT.

The problem as usual is the Dincons are far too arrogant to realize all their pat dogmas are nonsense in dealing with a Counter Insurgency. The top brass and Rummy KNEW this. The Dinocon "think tanks" and the Defense Contractors LOATH them for it.

The DC Old Boy's Club wanted to use 09-11-01 as and excuse to rebuild the SAME Cold War Military machine that faced the Sovs across the Fulda Gap. Rummy said no. And he was right to say no. That is why the DC Old Boy's Club hates him. All the rest of this is nonsese from the Establishement noise machine to make sure his successors know to play ball next time.

This is a policy song of total ignorance sung by Defense spending pork barrel whores is without even a touch of contact with current military needs.

The force they advocate building is designed for ONE mission. Fight another heavy armor force. We face no such threat. Even the Chinese cannot field such an army. It is trying to go back to WW 2 to determine what doctrine to use for the War on Islamic Fascism. It is a doctrine of total and utter stupidity. It would be like Patton looking to World War 1 to decide how to fight World War 2.

This policy is designed for ONE thing. To make Defense Contractors and corrupt Congress critters rich.

The Russian tried this Dincon doctrine in Afghanistan. How did that work out for them? We sent 500,000 troops to Vietnam. How did that work?

The Dincons are too ignorant to admit they have NO idea how to fight an Counter Insurgency and too arrogant to get out of the way of the team that all ready have won two. Afghanistan and Iraq.

READ the data ONE time Please? Could the Dinocons quit clinging to their emotion based faith in their own infallibility and actually READ the facts?

Counter Insurgency is not the same mission as a Conventional War. Way past time the Dincons stop screaming the same song over and over and over and learn the FACTS on Iraq.

http://icasualties.org/oif/

http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Security_Forces



16 posted on 11/13/2006 4:05:20 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( People who see the glass half full win, those who see it half empty lose)
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To: neverdem
DONALD RUMSFELD had the chance to be -is- one of the great American heroes...

Fixed

17 posted on 11/13/2006 4:06:36 PM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: neverdem
The outgoing defense secretary was too focused on transforming the military, and failed to plan for achieving political goals in Iraq.

Now if it were Secretary of Defense Frederick W. Kagan, we would be living in utopia....

18 posted on 11/13/2006 4:07:21 PM PST by EGPWS (Lord help me be the conservative liberals fear I am.)
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To: neverdem
"Rumsfeld's self-inflicted wounds"

Bastards!! More like "Rumsfeld's mediaWHORE-inflicted wounds"! God forgive me for what I am thinking right now of the mediaCLYMERS!!

19 posted on 11/13/2006 4:07:39 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: neverdem
Rumsfeld's self-inflicted wounds


Another piece of junk reporting from the the LA Slimes.
Why don't they talk about the the LA Slimes's self, inflicted wounds then?

After all, their circulation is down the toilet, profits are down, sales are down, staff are being laid off, and the paper is on the block looking for some poor sucker to buy that useless rag..all because if their rabid anti-Americanism, lies and liberal bias.
24 posted on 11/13/2006 4:16:35 PM PST by ShawTaylor
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To: neverdem

Where is the BARF ALERT on this?


31 posted on 11/13/2006 4:37:46 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: neverdem

He did a thankless job at a critical time in history for 5 years (longer than most)...He deserves our thanks and praise


39 posted on 11/13/2006 5:09:49 PM PST by woofie (creativity is destructive)
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To: neverdem

Nearly all articles about Rumsfeld are biased against him, even though he's far from being perfect.

However, I am confident that Robert Gates will be an excellent Secretary of Defense.


45 posted on 11/13/2006 5:53:05 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Corporatism is not conservatism)
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To: RobbyS

Yeah my bad for trying to pry welded shut Dincocon minds open with the facts.


47 posted on 11/13/2006 6:02:40 PM PST by MNJohnnie ( People who see the glass half full win, those who see it half empty lose)
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To: neverdem

If this article was bagged and spread as fertilizer in Darfur, it would turn into the Imperial Valley.


52 posted on 11/13/2006 6:21:06 PM PST by exit82 (Clinton didn't try. He just failed.)
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How Donald Rumsfeld reformed the Army and lost Iraq.
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58 posted on 11/14/2006 12:21:32 AM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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Maybe this article ought to start out by noting that the need to transform the military fell on Bush and Rumsfeld because the Clinton Administration had kicked that can down the road while slashing the US Defense (and Intelligence Budgets) by some 30-40%. Ah, the Peace Dividend! Squandered by Bubba and his henchmen. Al Gore's "Reinventing Government": downsizing only the military.

Yes, Rummy probably should have backed off his dual ambitions when the siege of Iraq became more into focus. But I consider this just one more time-bomb strategically left by President William Jefferson Clinton -- thus securing his true legacy.

59 posted on 11/14/2006 6:27:27 AM PST by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: neverdem

Kagan is a pretty smart guy, but his nose is out of joint for some reason, and he just can't think clearly about this business.

Pity.


60 posted on 11/14/2006 9:18:18 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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