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WashTimes: China sub secretly stalked U.S. fleet (surprisingly within firing range)
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Posted on 11/12/2006 10:23:21 PM PST by quesney
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"Adm. Fallon...has made several visits to China in recent months in an attempt to develop closer ties...However, critics of the program in the Pentagon say China has not reciprocated and continues to deny U.S. military visitors access to key facilities, including a Beijing command center. In contrast, Chinese military visitors have been invited to military exercises and sensitive U.S. facilities."
Uh, why are we doing this?
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:23:27 PM PST
by
quesney
To: quesney
surfaced within firing range of its torpedoes and missiles before being detected...
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:25:16 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
And we are decommissioning our S-3's.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:26:49 PM PST
by
oyez
(Why is it that egalitarians act like royalty?)
To: quesney
Maybe because we owe them money and they wanted a VIP tour of our bases.
To: quesney
It will only get worse now that China has some of it's own in power in the US...
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:28:04 PM PST
by
Dallas59
(Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
Better get the Orions flying again shadowing enemy submarines and ready to sink them at a moments notice.
Its likely we very well knew where the submarine was and did not want to top them off to the fact. They put a torpedo into one of our aircraft carriers and we vaporize their country......
To: Dallas59
Unfortunately, our illustrious President has done nothing to stop the growing Chinese threat.
Our base belong to them.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:39:57 PM PST
by
SubmarineNuke
(To the Sea I shall return)
To: SubmarineNuke
What was the mission of this sub? Was it offering goods for sale at WalMart?
To: oyez
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:56:01 PM PST
by
george76
(Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
To: george76
Like we would tell them that we know they are there.
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:58:11 PM PST
by
Uriah_lost
(We've got enough youth, how about a "fountain of smart")
To: All
I'm not surprised at all by Chinese military behavior. What I want to know is why are we allowing these visits to sensitive US military facilities. Why are we treating them with kid's gloves like some sort of ally, especially when we're getting little or nothing in return?
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posted on
11/12/2006 10:59:54 PM PST
by
quesney
To: quesney
The Soviets "shadowed" our carrier battle groups all the time during the Cold War. There were protocols about how close they could approach (which was still pretty close), and other "provocative" acts. Sometimes there would be "incidents" when one side or the other didn't appear to be following the "rules".
To: oyez
And we are decommissioning our S-3's. You mean ES-3's.
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:18:11 PM PST
by
Doofer
To: quesney
"Between 2002 and last year, China built 14 new submarines, including new Song-class vessels and several other types, both diesel- and nuclear-powered."
![](http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/sub/0391l.jpg)
Song-class diesel (the class that stalked Kitty Hawk)
![](http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/sub/0394l.jpg)
Song-class diesel
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:31:15 PM PST
by
diesel00
To: quesney
I've read this story several times in the last few hours, but every post leaves some frustrating questions. How do we know this Chinese sub was "undetected"? If the sub had been detected, what could we have done about it? Obviously, not much.
To: quesney
The Democrats and the public needs to be reminded of this every damn day. Bush doesn't necessarily need to make his rhetoric louder. Actions speak louder than words.
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:42:30 PM PST
by
dr_who_2
To: quesney
>>>>>"I'm not surprised at all by Chinese military behavior. What I want to know is why are we allowing these visits to sensitive US military facilities. Why are we treating them with kid's gloves like some sort of ally, especially when we're getting little or nothing in return?"<<<<<
I want to know why CNN, Durbin, Rockefeller, Reid and Hillary Clinton feel that we need to feed them (China) any and all information necessary to make them feel "EQUAL" to us.
It is the Libs entire PLAN for self defense. If China FEELS EQUAL to us they will no do anything, and leave us alone.
Not kidding at all, and I think that since it is their Political ideology they have demonstrated it and literally committed Treason that it continues to go on without Prosecution.
How do you Prosecute?
TT
To: diesel00
![](http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/sub/yuan2l.jpg)
The newer Yuan-class diesel, thought to be an improvement of the Song-class.
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:45:30 PM PST
by
diesel00
To: quesney
That same naive attitude in re to china by GWB/Rumsfeld came back to bite them last tuesday in re to iraqi freedom and democracy. Making nice to thugs only gets you killed, on the battlefield and in the ballot box.
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posted on
11/12/2006 11:52:47 PM PST
by
timer
To: quesney
1) we owe them money. they support our multinationals in manufacturing capacity and our government in buying our bonds, of which they have nearly 1 trillion dollars' worth.
2) was it detected before or after it surfaced? no carrier is without sub escort. that info is not public - can this sub escape our our carrier group's escort sonar capacity? This info is presumably very classified at this point. It may not be the first such incident either.
3) it surfaced. this is a very clear message in and of itself.
4) anyone who reads the news knows china is actively building up its military capacity, including its navy, with features such as aegis cruisers with tech stolen from us, and obviously the sub fleet is going to be a big part of this.
5) we live in a country that funds china's military buildup (this is under republicans and Bush), and presumably this will continue under democrats. that's life in the brittle aged superpower that is the US.
6) anyone who followed the 1996 chinese money issue with the DNC or the cox report and has half a brain would assume our political system is awash with chinese money. The implications follow.
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