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Start U.S. Iraq withdrawal in 4-6 months: Democrats
Reuters ^ | 12 November | staff

Posted on 11/12/2006 7:40:13 AM PST by shrinkermd

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats, who won majorities in the U.S. Congress in last week's elections, said on Sunday they will push for a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq to begin in four to six months.

"The first order of business is to change the direction of Iraq policy," said Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record), a Michigan Democrat who is expected to be chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee in the new Congress.

Levin, on ABC's "This Week," said he hoped some Republicans would emerge to join Democrats and press the administration of President George W. Bush to tell the Iraqi government that U.S. presence was "not open-ended."

Bush has insisted that U.S. troops would not leave Iraq until the Iraqis were able to take over security for their country.

"We need to begin a phased redeployment of forces from Iraq in four to six months," Levin said.

Speaking on the same program, Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record), a Delaware Democrat who is expected to head the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said he supported Levin's proposal for a withdrawal.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: congress; cut; cutandrun; democrats; iraq; levin; moralvictory; rats; retreatanddefeat; run; vietnam; wot
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To: qman
That's hardly "home".

No see, Iran gets nuclear weapons. They put in the centrifuge array in the next year, they run it for another year to get enough U-235 for a few bombs. They wait for a dem prez and for enough for 6-10 and then they test.

Safely a nuclear power and able to deter all the world's pansies, they then ramp the production lines to 10-15 bombs a year. They won't use them right away.

No, they run the lines for 5 years or so, so they have enough to keep a few score, to threaten everyone in their region. Then they can afford to smuggle some abroad for terror blackmail, and to sell a few to Al-Q or whoever it is by then, and to send 10-15 to Hezbollah and Hamas.

10 years from now they will actually be going off in innocent cities in the west and Israel.

Dishonor and harm to our faithful supporters in the region, that doesn't even make it to the radar screen. We are too used to it.

401 posted on 11/12/2006 6:25:30 PM PST by JasonC
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To: Tail Gunner John
Nope. They will wait until they have around 50 of the things. Enough to (a) destroy Israel (b) have some prepositioned in the west for blackmail (c) enough remaining to threaten to destroy the gulf oil assets and close the straits etc and (d) some left even after those threats for general deterrence. Then they figure their proxies can get away with setting some off for real, without anyone daring to retaliate against Iran directly. After all, is anyone willing to retaliate against China or Russia today, over Iran or North Korea? No. They want the same relation to Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al-Q.
402 posted on 11/12/2006 6:28:46 PM PST by JasonC
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To: operation clinton cleanup
You are right about the the damage we will do when we bail on Iraq. When considering the cut and run in Vietnam you must also consider the consequences in Cambodia, Laos, and pro Soviet insurgencies all over the world.

When you consider Iraq consider the resurgence of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the loss of Pakistani involvement in the WOT, the acquisition of the bomb by Iran, etc., etc.

When this plays out it will be the single worst tragedy in American history.
403 posted on 11/12/2006 6:32:13 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: Tail Gunner John

No it won't.
Nancy said it will be alright.
Nothing will happen. Now that they are back in charge.


404 posted on 11/12/2006 6:37:40 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: JasonC
God, what a terrifying post.

In my mind the Iranians would use the first nuke they got on Tel Aviv or NYC. After that we would finally take care of business.

Your scenario is more plausible. Thanks, as if I wasn't worried enough!
405 posted on 11/12/2006 6:38:51 PM PST by Tail Gunner John
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To: attiladhun2

Actually if Iran gets involved it would mean the return of our troops post haste and the Demonrats being blamed. Her Thighness would not stand a chance, why do you think Hillary won't speak out against the war in Iraq?


406 posted on 11/12/2006 6:41:26 PM PST by YdontUleaveLibs (Reason is out to lunch. How may I help you?)
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To: Outland

Somehow, I get the feeling that the RATs won't be able to pull the same stunt they pulled in 1973-75 because it'll give their enemies something to attack them on, plus, unlike in 1973-75, we have radio talk shows that'll prevent them from hiding behind the "we represent the wishes of war-weary people" smokescreen they used to abandon Vietnam.

It's obvious that their plan is to pull another Vietnam 1975, but God help them if they do, because every true American won't stand by and let them committ the same crime twice. They won't hide it this time.


407 posted on 11/12/2006 7:00:19 PM PST by RWB Patriot
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To: smoketree

Yeah, but all those battles happened under a democrat President, which makes them all okay. According to the libs, only Republican-led wars are immoral.

That's one of the main reasons the libs are against everything Bush does; because he's a Republican. If a liberal democrat had approved "warrantless wiretaps", "secret CIA torture camps", and all the other stuff they're throwing a temper tantrum over, you wouldn't hear a peep from the so called "human-rights activists" or the liberals.


408 posted on 11/12/2006 7:04:50 PM PST by RWB Patriot
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To: smoketree
I agree, you had previously stated that "Let the chips fall where they may" was wrong, which is why I had included you on the reply.
409 posted on 11/12/2006 7:13:07 PM PST by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: JasonC

Sorry, I disagree! Israel will not sit by and wait to be distroyed, they will strike first reguardless of polotical sensabilties of UN dictators and anti-semites in the barbaric MiddleEast.

I do not believe Iran will get the bomb by making it themselves, they may procure one from North Korea or force thier friends the russians to help them.

Unlike us the Irealis will not hesitate to use thier Bomb if thier future may depend on it.


410 posted on 11/12/2006 7:24:28 PM PST by qman
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To: brushcop
Thank you for your pep talk. Our Soldiers are quite wonderful and so very inspiring. We are a lucky country to have such a Military and such spirited Soldiers. If I can be of service, do let me know. I'm just a click away. Hopefully we didn't disappoint them too much.

Chgogal.
411 posted on 11/12/2006 7:30:32 PM PST by Chgogal (Pelosi, what do you have against a Free Iraq? How are you going to fight terrorism, Pelosi?)
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To: Truth29

This was exactly the goal of bj, madelaine halfbright and company.


412 posted on 11/12/2006 7:31:12 PM PST by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: shrinkermd

This, after the latest polls show that by 60-70%, people in the U.S. are afraid that the Democrats will force troops to leave Iraq "too soon". Too bad a lot of them didn't think about that BEFORE THEY VOTED!!!!!!!


413 posted on 11/12/2006 7:31:26 PM PST by Purrcival (It's easy to complain, but hard to LEAD, DemocRATS.)
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To: BLS
I did not think so, so "let the chips fall where they may" may well be not you really wish.
414 posted on 11/12/2006 7:36:27 PM PST by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: Mo1
They will cut off the funding

They might as well cut their own throats then. this ain't Vietnam, the military has massive popular backing around the country.
415 posted on 11/12/2006 7:38:56 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: JasonC

They will blame Bush for Iraq's defeat anyway.

The faster they lose this war the better for them.


416 posted on 11/12/2006 8:02:46 PM PST by WOSG (The 4-fold path to save America - Think right, act right, speak right, vote right!)
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To: mewzilla

Better yet. If the generals were whining that rumsfeld was holding them back, well, now they have carte blanche. Let's see those plans roll off the shelves. Don't hang back just to get a cushy retirement, a CNN talking head gig, and a possible NSC position.


417 posted on 11/12/2006 8:04:06 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Sandy
Here buddy, I'll bring you in from the dark. In post #328 you alluded to a fictional future legislative act {If we forbid him to spend money on something,} to retort jveritas's position that currently the POTUS can legally allocate emergency funding from anywhere in the budget to fund the troops. You moved the goalposts from current law being discusses to fictional future law. And you did rather seamlessly whilst admitting your previous statement was flawed. Yhat's why I dropped you compliment.

Also, considering the future alignment of congress the people just elected, any such fictional future law to starve our troops out of Iraq would require veto override and that would take 67 Senators. That dog don't hunt.

418 posted on 11/12/2006 8:05:44 PM PST by TeleStraightShooter (The Right To Take Life is NOT a Constitutional "Liberty" protected by the 14th Amendment)
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To: YdontUleaveLibs

And, any conflict then would be far, far worse than the so called quagmire now.


419 posted on 11/12/2006 8:10:44 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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To: RWB Patriot

Exactly my point.
The war we are in now is at least as deadly or more so with portable nukes involved. And an enemy that doesn't travel in huge armadas to deliver knock out punches.


420 posted on 11/12/2006 8:13:40 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days)
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