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To: radar101

The problem with reporting on illegal immigration is just like the article says. We really don't know what percentage of crimes are due to the illegals. Even if we did, Americans seem to have less and less faith in statistics as time goes on (we all know how statistics are often manipulated to fit one's agenda). Also, reporting individual crimes doesn't do much good, because every cause can find exceptions that seem to prove the point.

So, if conservatives are serious about the issue, and I think we are, how do we frame it in a way to get and keep public support for immigration control? Get enough support and our leaders will ultimately listen.


2 posted on 11/11/2006 3:06:23 PM PST by CitizenUSA
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To: CitizenUSA
The problem with reporting on illegal immigration is just like the article says. We really don't know what percentage of crimes are due to the illegals..... So, if conservatives are serious about the issue, and I think we are, how do we frame it in a way to get and keep public support for immigration control? Get enough support and our leaders will ultimately listen.

Some leaders did listen, they had to.

It is difficult to get agencies to state the status of aliens and as for crime reporting, one observation that I have asked some posters in the past, is show me the crimes (murder, rape, etc) AGAINST aliens by US Citizens. So far, I've found one report, about a year ago by a inner city gang who was robbing aliens and no one has shown me another so far.

Pick any town and day, and you will find such crimes by illegal aliens.

7 posted on 11/11/2006 3:31:17 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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To: CitizenUSA

A lot of anchor babies are already voting. The real downside is that a lot of these anchor babies' parents were granted amnesty years ago. The past 20 years worth of anchor babies are getting ready to vote and when the scamnesty goes through, we will be done. They will all be legal and elligible to vote. The republican party is a hollow shell. It's there just for looks, like the foam on a beer, it is all fluff and no substance. It's beginning to look like the entire government is to blame.

With the increase of illegals 4.4% (average) and 7% unemployment in some areas, I'm not sure how the government thinks they will be able to create jobs for everyone.

It is also discriminatory of other nations whose people try to immigrate lawfully and it disenfranchises American citizens that could be doing those jobs. Let's face it, if we didn't have 20-30% of our paychecks going to taxes, we too could afford to work for lesser wages.

What happens when scamnesty goes through? Does the government really think that the illegals WANT to keep those jobs? No. They don't really want those jobs either, but, just like American citizens that used to do those before they were taken by illegals, those jobs are for people that are in between jobs, or even new to the work force like teenagers, or people that are just traveling through. Some people still like to drift around and 'find themselves'.

At any rate, once legalized the newly legal immigrants are going to *gasp* want to get better jobs and being legal they will need to start paying taxes and OH MY that paycheck is going to dwindle and not be enough. They will need better paying jobs, like the 4-7% of already unemployed citizens.

So, the newly legal immigrants move up and another flood of illegals start to poor over the border to fill the openings left in 'jobs that Americans won't do BS' category.

It's time to end the cycle.

We need a good Constitutional lawyer. If we can present a reasonable case outlining various ways that the government (all branches) is abandoning its constitutional duties, the court could stop the bill long enough for more organized resistance to develop against it.

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican form of Government, and shall protect each of them against invasion." Article IV Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution.

File a discrimination suit against the federal government for allowing illegals to steal identities. The average citizens would be arrested and jailed.


16 posted on 11/11/2006 4:06:36 PM PST by Netizen (When the PINO signs his beloved scamnesty bill, the GOP officially dies and the Bush legacy is set.)
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To: CitizenUSA

We do know one-third of our prison population is composed of illegal aliens.


25 posted on 11/11/2006 6:06:58 PM PST by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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