Republicans Forgot Reagan's Message

Human Events ^ | November.10, 2006 | Marc Rotterman

[upsdriver]

I find it really maddening to listen to, but I want to know what the other side is up to. It helps when I get in discussions with others to shoot down their arguements. To be forwarned is to be forarmed.

[Mojave]

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3827/is_200107/ai_n8961512

Thanks.

Kuchel earned the wrath of conservatives for publicly refusing to endorse or support Goldwater's candidacy, even after the Republican convention. Ronald Reagan had Kuchel in mind when, a week after the election, he told Los Angeles County Young Republicans that, "We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended."

[upsdriver]

I also would love to see them defunded, they are a complete waste of our tax dollars.

[Mojave]

how old are you?

Old enough to recognize your kind at a glance.

[gondramB]

>>And we tend to regard with great suspicion anyone who has not been trashed by the MSM.<<

I have mixed feelings... I grew up trusting Walter Cronkite and then at the birth of CNN I thought it was great to have national standards that hoped would uplift the crappy local Atlanta TV news. Part of me still wants politicians I admire to be looked at and found worth by the press.

But I know that's more of a longing to return to a past that wasn't really real. Cronkite was biased and CNN had production values and money to go on-site all over the world but they had/have an agenda.

So, yeah the good politicians are usually trashed by the press but I still wish it wasn't like that.

[TAdams8591]

Of course I don't see Bork as a radical conservative. I see him as a main stream conservative.

I am not taking sides here. The question in my last post was sincere. If Reagan didn't like moderates and he didn't like the most far right conservatives, how does that make sense with his belief in a BIG TENT?

[Reagan Man]

Don't pay any attention to these liberal FReepers. This "Tamzee" character use to call herself, "Tamsey". She's infatuated with Bush, Ahnold and will probably be defending the liberal Rudy Giuliani next, at some future date. Once a liberal, always a liberal.

[Mojave]

The MSM relentlessly portrayed Bork as a radical conservative, yet Reagan made him his nominee for the Supreme Court. If you're contending that Reagan didn't like "radical conservatives", it might help to have some idea of what one of them allegedly is.

[Mojave]

Bush has been a disappointment, but that doesn't make him an Ahnold. The Austrian is about as bad as they come.

[TAdams8591]

Reagan Man, if we were to go issue by issue I do believe Tamzee would not be as conservative on the issues as I am or as you are, but it would be pretty darn close. She is a conserative not a Liberal.

[Reagan Man]

Right. Bush is a social conservative and a fiscal liberal. Arnold is both a social and fiscal liberal. Tamzee is still infatuated with both of them for their liberal qualities. Next up, liberal Rudy Giuliani.

[Reagan Man]

I have a long history of debating this leftwing moonbat. Her defense of Ahnold during the recall election is all the evidence anyone needs to see she's a lover of liberal politicos and liberal policy.

[Mojave]

I've noticed that seemingly all of the Ahnold groupies have taken to openly calling for the abandonment of conservatives principles since election day.

[Reagan Man]

The battle for Iraq was the major issue. However, if Bush and the GOP had not spent the taxpayers money like liberals, not expanded the federal bureaucracy, not enlarged the welfare state to new levels, and not promoted liberal immigration policy to include amnesty for illegals, conservatives would have come out and voted for Republicans in droves. Bush moved the GOP away from conservatism and dragged it further left over the last 5-1/2 years. That cost the GOP the election last Tuesday.

[GregoryFul]

It makes me ponder on Nixon.

[Reagan Man]

Earlier today, a FReeper posted this trash:

>>>>What's needed is a dose of pragmatism here.
The future isn't in more doctrinaire conservatism, it's moving back towards the center a la Arnold Schwartzenegger.
Republicans will have to become more centerist or be resigned to be perpetually the minority party.

That is pure defeatist trashtalk concerning the future of conservatism and the GOP.

[TAdams8591]

Actually, I wasn't contending anything. Read Post #43 where Tamzee quotes Reagan's comments about radical conservatives. Then you quoted a comment by Reagan about moderates. My question was if Reagan believed in the BIG TENT, how does that belief make sense given the comments he made about radical conservatives and moderates?

"The MSM relentlessly portrayed Bork as a radical conservative, yet Reagan made him his nominee for the Supreme Court."

In consideration of the nomination it was only how Reagan saw Bork that was significant, and obviously if Reagan nominated Bork to the Supreme Court Reagan didn't view him as a radical conservative.

"If you're contending that Reagan didn't like "radical conservatives", it might help to have some idea of what one of them allegedly is."

From the context of Tamzee's post in #43, it appears that to Reagan a radical conservative was someone who wanted 100% of what they wanted or they would take nothing.

[Reagan Man]

Check out this Reagan speech.

"The American new conservative majority we represent is not based on abstract theorizing of the kind that turns off the American people, but on common sense, intelligence, reason, hard work, faith in God, and the guts to say: “Yes, there are things we do strongly believe in, that we are willing to live for, and yes, if necessary, to die for.” That is not “ideological purity.” It is simply what built this country and kept it great."

Reagan's Speech at the 4th Annual CPAC Convention: A New Republican Party

[Reagan Man]

Read the Reagan speech I link to in post #118. I think it says everything about Reagan's "big tent" philosophy. Good stuff.

[Tamzee]

Pro-life
Pro-second amendment
Pro-tax cuts
School vouchers, or even better leave education to the states
Pro-death penalty.. fry them as painfully as possible
Pro-Patriot Act
Cut government size by eliminating the dozens of useless, self-perpetuating depts that simply exist to create redtape
Strict time limits on welfare and prosecute fraud brutally
Unions should be illegal under RICO
Increase military spending
Pro-border fence
Privatize social security
Pro-drilling ANWAR
Eliminate all federal money to ACLU, arts programs, CPB-NPR

etc....

About the only actual issue I differ on with the "tiny tent" faction around here is I don't think it is feasible to deport millions of illegal aliens much as we want to. Allow them to come forward and apply legally as temporary guest workers, give them a huge fine as a punishment for not doing so before, and long prison sentences for any illegals we catch afterwards that didn't come forward.

I agree with Reagan Man's "issues" just fine... he just refuses to face reality that less than 51% of the population agrees with us on these stances. If you try to point that out, he insists you must be a liberal.

Ridiculous, childish and really, really un-Reagan like ;-)