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Vietnam veteran full of life despite nine months of torture (See update in #90)
Lubbock Avalanche-Journal ^ | Saturday, November 11, 2006 | Ray Westbrook

Posted on 11/11/2006 7:25:38 AM PST by WestTexasWend

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To: Interesting Times

By the way, he doesn't appear on any list of Marine Corps Helicopter pilots KIA in Viet Nam.


41 posted on 11/11/2006 7:14:37 PM PST by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese, that why I don't sing.)
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To: WestTexasWend

I just watched TTU let go of ANOTHER lead and lose to OU before I logged in....thanks so much for pinging me on something that matters so much more.


42 posted on 11/11/2006 7:47:48 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Funny, but I don't remember pressing 1 for English in 1994.)
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To: RaceBannon
5 Purple Hearts???

Yeah, and four tours. He says his last tour was 14 months, because "that's when I got captured." All the POWs were released at the same time, in Feb/March of 1973. That means he's saying he was captured in 1972, which isn't likely...

43 posted on 11/11/2006 7:53:55 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: usmcobra
No he was a Brig Bunny.

The name might be a coincidence, but I don't think this guy was ever a POW, and if he lied about that, he probably lied about other things as well.

44 posted on 11/11/2006 7:55:09 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times

There is no Marine called Bill McCoy on the wall either.


45 posted on 11/11/2006 7:59:20 PM PST by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese, that why I don't sing.)
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To: usmcobra

Yep. WestTexasWend pointed that out at post #25.


46 posted on 11/11/2006 8:00:19 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: WestTexasWend

I salute you Sir. You are a true hero. And only of people like you Sir, that made America great.


47 posted on 11/11/2006 8:16:41 PM PST by Toidylop
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To: WestTexasWend

What an amazing story. All those weenies who complained about the horrifying tactic of putting panties on the head of terrorists at Abu Ghraib need to listen to this man! In fact, I think he, and all the men who were TRULY tortured by the North Vietnamese, need to be called as material witnesses if Rummy is ever put on trial for ordering 'torture' at Abu Ghraib!!


48 posted on 11/11/2006 8:24:22 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: WestTexasWend

One more thing, this is Medal Of Honor/Navy Cross stuff.


49 posted on 11/11/2006 8:34:54 PM PST by jordan8
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To: WestTexasWend

Bull.

There were four POW/MIAs named Lee. None was a Marine. None was a helicopter pilot. (Three were jet fighter/bomber crewmen, one was a Navy petty officer lost overboard). None returned alive.

Someone has already posted the POWNETWORK.ORG listing. Here is the official page from the DOD.

http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/pmsea/pmsea_html_l.htm

I am sorry for Mr Lee and for the people who were taken in by him, but whatever he has or has not done in his life, he was never a prisoner, missing, or out of US contact in Southeast Asia, or he would be on the PMSEA list. In thirty years, the list has never been corrected, except as remains are recovered, and as deserters return to face the music.

It gives me scant pleasure to bust a phony on Veterans' Day. But the Japanese used to say, "Dusty is heavier than a mountain."

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


50 posted on 11/11/2006 9:30:28 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F; Interesting Times

IT, please see my Post #50.

Chuck and Mary's list is absolutely trustworthy, but this link is official and is all you need to put the definitive kibosh on this story.

So that makes -- the Mayor of Atlantic City, this apparently non-political guy, and a Congressman from Mass. (Delahunt, CD-10) outed this election season. Naturally Delahunt went on to win running away....

I bet I could talk to Mr Lee for ten minutes and have an accurate picture of his helicopter piloting achievements. Hunch says, nil.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


51 posted on 11/11/2006 9:36:28 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: usmcobra
Bill McCoy is a fictional character from W.E.B. Griffith's The Corps Novels.

If you mean "Killer" McCoy, his given name is Kenneth. And the pen name the author uses is "W.E.B. GriffiN." (W.E.B. are his real initials and he lives in Alabama, IIRC). So while the McCoy in this story is probably not real, it isn't likely that Mr Lee is just adapting the character from the novels.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

52 posted on 11/11/2006 9:42:41 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Thanks for the DoD link. I think it's pretty clear he was never a POW.


53 posted on 11/11/2006 9:44:50 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F

Kudos to everyone who contributed to verifying that this man's story is bogus. (Actually, when reading it, it seemed a little too-too to be believable.)


54 posted on 11/11/2006 9:49:31 PM PST by Ciexyz (Satisfied owner of a 2007 Toyota Corolla.)
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To: Toidylop

Check this thread again, this is most likely a liar, the story has too many appearances of outright lies.


55 posted on 11/12/2006 3:22:44 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: SuziQ; jordan8

Check this thread again, the guy in the story is most likely a phony


56 posted on 11/12/2006 3:24:34 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: WestTexasWend; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; AirForceBrat23; ...

POSER ping!


57 posted on 11/12/2006 3:25:37 AM PST by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8)
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To: Temple Owl

ping


58 posted on 11/12/2006 3:48:56 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Criminal Number 18F

I was talking about Killer's younger brother who appears in the novels as well.


59 posted on 11/12/2006 4:29:45 AM PST by usmcobra (I sing Karaoke the way it was meant to be sung, drunk, badly and in Japanese, that why I don't sing.)
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To: RaceBannon
wow, what makes these people claim such stories.

I just went to the site and they have not exposed the guy as a fraud yet.

60 posted on 11/12/2006 4:44:34 AM PST by mware (By all that you hold dear... on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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