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Referendums nationwide made it clear that Americans favor the status quo on abortion rights.
LA Times ^ | 11 November 2006 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 11/11/2006 5:04:36 AM PST by shrinkermd

...Anti-abortionists have been craving a test case to put before the U.S. Supreme Court, in hopes of overturning Roe vs. Wade — and thought they had it when the South Dakota Legislature passed a ban on abortion. Instead of challenging the law in court, though, pro-choice forces cleverly put the matter to a popular referendum. Even in that socially conservative, anti-abortion state, a decisive majority Tuesday preserved a woman's right to choose. To some extent, they were bothered by the ban's extraordinary lack of compassion, refusing to exempt even the victims of rape and incest. But a frequently voiced complaint about the ban was that government simply shouldn't interfere with private lives.

That's a closely held American value and one that Republicans should embrace again lest they want to see this midterm election be a harbinger of a long-range trend.

Both California and Oregon voted down attempts to require parental notification before a minor can obtain an abortion. In several other states, anti-abortion congressional candidates were defeated, and Kansas' Phill Kline, the state attorney general who notoriously overreached the powers of his office in his single-minded attack on family planning and abortion clinics, was turned out of office.

In California, Proposition 85 was the second attempt within a year to impose parental notification on girls, most of whom already talk to their parents before opting for an abortion. Both efforts failed at the polls...

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; referendums
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To: paudio
I think most Americans right now would buy into #5 if argued well by the candidate. BUT there really is another one between #5 and # 6---Abortion is allowed only for the protection of the mother--in other words she has the right to self-protection; if she has a good chance of dying during the pregnancy she can have abortion. If you listen to such pro-lifers as Phyllis Schafley, that is her position. She uses it in debates to counter the mostly red-herring question from her opponents on the issue when they ask her is she would make the mother die giving birth even if the doctor said the baby must be aborted to save her life.

Why not for the health of the mother though? Because the way too many courts broadly interpret that to mean the mental health of the mother--so a abortionist (such as Killer Tiller in Kansas) can just say he provided the abortion because the mother was under mental strain from being pregnant. I would argue that every women is under some mental strain by being pregnant--it is part of pregnancy. Therefore, the mental health clause actually just says you can abort any baby anytime.
21 posted on 11/11/2006 6:02:30 AM PST by June Cleaver (in here, Ward . . .)
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To: shrinkermd
According to the Los Angeles Times Americans are pro-abortion. Not quite so fast. The parental notification measures in Oregon and California lost by narrow margins. They'll be back. The ban in South Dakota was rejected by voters because it failed to provide an exception for rape and incest. What the votes showed is nearly half the American public is in favor of a culture of life. These are voters liberals dismiss at their political peril.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

22 posted on 11/11/2006 6:04:33 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: paudio
I think most people subscribe to position 5. I do. I don't think abortion on demand, favored by the radical Left, sits well with American values. Americans want women to have control over their bodies but they don't think its OK under ALL circumstances.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." -Manuel II Paleologus

23 posted on 11/11/2006 6:07:29 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MountainPete
Good Morning "MountainPete"!

"...and we haven't begun to see the cost to the Republic, yet."

No, but the signs devaluing human life are all around us, strangling the life, in some cases quite literally, out of our young people. We see rapes, murders, horrendous, evil things being done to our fellow citizens. We have people who think a man and a man and a woman and a woman have some alleged constitutional right to get "married", of all things. The list goes on and on. Look at what pedophiles are doing, all over this country, to our young, vulnerable children...obscene, indecent, evil things...like burrying them alive after capturing them, repeatedly raping them, stuffing them in garbage bags (doesn't that behavior speak volumes). This is a society decaying, rotting from the inside out, because nine (9) Supreme Court judges have declared that a woman, allegedly according to the Constitution, has the right to murder her own baby. How have we come to this?

Nancee

24 posted on 11/11/2006 6:09:00 AM PST by Nancee
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To: Paradox

BUMP!!!


25 posted on 11/11/2006 6:14:28 AM PST by Nancee
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To: goldstategop

It really frightens me that over half the voters don't want to be informed before their daughters have abortions. Who the hell are these sick, uninvolved parents anyway?

It's truly disgusting that they won't even allow sensible restrictions on abortion. It's also disgusting that so many can turn a blind eye to this tragedy.


26 posted on 11/11/2006 6:15:16 AM PST by bushinohio
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To: Tribune7
"Privacy is the ability of an individual or group to keep their lives and personal affairs out of public view, or to control the flow of information about themselves."

I have no problem with this.

From the same article:
"If "information is power", then it follows that personal information in whatever form, or of whatever nature, confers power to the owner of that information."

The less power the government has, the better.

27 posted on 11/11/2006 6:26:33 AM PST by DaGman
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To: MMcC
"Abortion is a minor issue for most Americans....but as far as a campaign issue, the majority of the people don't care."

I respectfully disagree with you. A Republican will never be elected as president without his/her stance being "pro-life"/"anti-death" because you're right:

"...the passion that some people have regarding it,...",

These same people recognize that this is not just a matter of murdering innocent human beings; twisted as that is, it's about a Federal Judiciary of nine (9) citizens who have usurped the powers of the other two (2) branches of our government, and not just on this issue either. You can bet that the Democrats KNOW this well. Why else would there be a political upheaval every single time a Republican president nominates a judge to the Supreme Court? It's craziness!!

Ask John McCain in a couple of years why he thinks he lost his bid for the White House in 2008? He betrayed all of us with his "gang of 14"; not simply because of abortion, but because he compromised a golden opportunity to stop these pro-death senators from preventing strict constructionist judges to be nominated and confirmed. He will never, it is my opinion, win any bid for the White House.

All that to state that I respectfully disagree with you!

Nancee

28 posted on 11/11/2006 6:31:28 AM PST by Nancee
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To: xmission

BUMP!!!


29 posted on 11/11/2006 6:32:50 AM PST by Nancee
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To: goldstategop

I think a majority of the population COULD be sold on some combination of 3, 4, 5. Most of the population is uncomfortable with abortion.

But you'll never, ever, ever, ever, sell the majority of hte population on some of the fanatical positions you see on FR...

Like a single-celled egg that's been fertilized for a few hours being prevented from implanting by the Morning-After pill being "aborting a baby."


30 posted on 11/11/2006 6:33:59 AM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: mkjessup

BUMP!!!


31 posted on 11/11/2006 6:34:20 AM PST by Nancee
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To: Nancee

He's still absolutely right.

The Majority of the population doesn't care about the abortion issue as a campaign issue, and frankly just wants it to go away.

It's SO critical to understand how other people think differently from you.


32 posted on 11/11/2006 6:35:09 AM PST by Strategerist (Those who know what's best for us must rise and save us from ourselves)
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To: Nancee
Good Morning back atcha, Nancee!

"How have we come to this?"

"Because though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, or thank Him, but rather became vain in their reasoning, and their heart, lacking understanding, was darkened.
"Professing to be wise, they became fools."
-Romans 1:21-22

That about sums it up, doesn't it?

33 posted on 11/11/2006 6:35:37 AM PST by MountainPete (democrats are Liars . . . the Truth ain't in 'em!)
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To: tkathy
AMEN!!!

You have said with great economy of words that which I have said with far more words! God Bless You!!!

Nancee

34 posted on 11/11/2006 6:35:58 AM PST by Nancee
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To: shrinkermd

Oh please. This is skewed beyond redemption.

Since many conservatives stayed home and the Dems won big, it stands to reason that most voters on Tuesday were Dems and, therefore, pro-abort.

Anyone who sees this as a "harbinger of a long-range trend" is woefully ignorant.

Just another left wing moonbat giving Republicans advice on election issues.

No thanks.


35 posted on 11/11/2006 6:39:06 AM PST by Skooz (It's Morning in Pelosistahn)
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To: Strategerist
"It's SO critical to understand how other people think differently from you."

And it is equally important to understand just how many people do not think at all, but can be taught how to think, where to get legitimate and accurate information, and then how to get to the voting booth.

I really do get your point. And I agree that understanding trends and the way others think IS critically important. I just think there is more to it than that. Once I have recognized where the populations are who can be educated, I go after them with the goal of informing them in order to make a difference. Thanks for your reminder! It's a good one.

Nancee

36 posted on 11/11/2006 6:43:09 AM PST by Nancee
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To: MountainPete
At its root, yes, "MountainPete", that absolutely sums it up!

Nancee

37 posted on 11/11/2006 6:44:53 AM PST by Nancee
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To: DaGman
I respectfully disagree with you that there is ANYTHING in the Constitution which gives any of us the alleged "right" to murder anyone else. Privacy is just a conveniently applied term to legalize murder.

And the Founding Fathers, with whose writings I have tried to become more and more familiar, would be shocked to see the murder, not only of the innocents, but of the Constitution itself. If this I am confident.

Nancee

38 posted on 11/11/2006 6:50:47 AM PST by Nancee
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To: goldstategop
I think you have allowed yourself to become a pawn in the game of abortion politics. This is not about 'Control over their bodies' as they have been screeching for 33 years.

This is about responsibility for your actions and respect for life.

If women had control over their bodies they wouldn't get pregnant when they don't want to.

The notion that this is simple about 'a woman's right to control her fertility' leaves out the fact that if she would only -PLEASE- start controlling her fertility she wouldn't be insisting on abortion on demand; Which exists for those irresponsible women who refused to control their fertility. (Or simply don't care)

Its just easier for society to say 'not my problem' and convince people that its not a 'person' and 'here's you abortion' and, no 'I don't want to look at it...'

Women are not victims of unplanned pregnancy or abortion - they are victims of their own irresponsible behavior.

AND - while I'm on a roll - 'pro-choicers' are also guilty of being callously stubborn in their 33 years of NOT offering alternative non-abortion supporting programs- where liberal America can find and fund every group of less fortunate/downtrodden/in need of assistance people in America but haven't figured out how to help out a pregnant young college student - except to escort her out to, and pay for, an abortion.
39 posted on 11/11/2006 6:52:15 AM PST by DesignerChick
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To: shrinkermd

Oregon and California. Does that mean all those voters in other states that have voted for parental notification have changed their minds? Or that we should ingore the national polls that favor parental notification are just glitches. The polls that show the American people overwhelmingly oppose abortion on demand as a means of birth control are probably wrong too.

Finally, it should be noted that if the Left really believed there was popular support for 12 year old girls being able to obtain abortions on demand without parental notification, then they wouldn't be so determine to make sure it is the courts and not the people who get to decide.


40 posted on 11/11/2006 6:59:29 AM PST by NavVet (O)
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