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Facts don't mean a thing, polly. Just angry, hate-filled rhetoric.

Where am I mistaken on my facts? We are losing the fence, and the Democrats (with the support of Bush are moving ahead with amnesty...Amnesty converts to voters)
Rather than insult me and call me names I wish you would simply respond to my points. So I repeat...which of those 2 things are not facts? Also, why do you define my statements as "hate filled" I would define them as frustrated & a little demoralized.

Sigh. The Bush plan is not an amnesty plan as some folks want you to believe, so that is NOT a fact. In addition, there will never be a widespread deportation program in this country because it is not feasible. Instead, common sense alternatives have been proposed. As a response, some have chosen to go postal on the President. The hatred spewed from the far right is as untethered from reality as that from the left. Many of us find it profoundly disconcerting.

More to the point of your original post...painting all Hispanics as nonconservative is a pretty broad brush. I know many Hispanics who are more closely aligned with the fundamental belief system of conservatives than liberalism. Unfortunately, many of them have been VERY put off by the us vs. them race-based rhetoric and the blurring of the line between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. You can argue loudly that this isn't the case, but since perception is reality...we've got a problem with folks who should, and could, be voting with us, not against us.

If you had called them ILLEGAL immigrants in your post (no matter their country of origin) I would not have disagreed or called your position into question. Instead you called them Hispanics which suggests you have a problem with a certain kind of immigrants. That may not have been your intent, but I can see why those who could vote with us on the facts, instead get frightened by the language. And when we say "Hispanics" it essentially gives ammunition to those who believe that conservatives are some sort of racist community.

Illegal immigration is a complex, difficult issue that did not start with this President and will not stop with this administration...even if Tancredo himself was elected to the position. Beware those who offer cheap, easy and quick fixes, because are selling you cotton candy and calling it a filling meal of cornbread and stew. There are many, many more considerations at stake, including the influence of Venezuela. There are those who have looked carefully at history and understand there is much, much more to this issue than just putting up a wall.

We are losing the fence because of swing voters and ubercons who wanted to 'teach the GOP a lesson.'

We are NOT losing the fence because of President Bush.

And he has NO plan to replace us with hispanics. That was an absurd comment and your conversation with me is OVER.

Bash to your little heart's delight. I'm not coming back for it. I respect the President even though I disagree with him on this issue, and I have NO tolerance for the hysteria that misrepresents his position for effect.

I'm DONE here, Nav.