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To: Nav_Mom
Sigh. The Bush plan is not an amnesty plan as some folks want you to believe, so that is NOT a fact. In addition, there will never be a widespread deportation program in this country because it is not feasible. Instead, common sense alternatives have been proposed. As a response, some have chosen to go postal on the President. The hatred spewed from the far right is as untethered from reality as that from the left. Many of us find it profoundly disconcerting.

More to the point of your original post...painting all Hispanics as nonconservative is a pretty broad brush. I know many Hispanics who are more closely aligned with the fundamental belief system of conservatives than liberalism. Unfortunately, many of them have been VERY put off by the us vs. them race-based rhetoric and the blurring of the line between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigrants. You can argue loudly that this isn't the case, but since perception is reality...we've got a problem with folks who should, and could, be voting with us, not against us.

If you had called them ILLEGAL immigrants in your post (no matter their country of origin) I would not have disagreed or called your position into question. Instead you called them Hispanics which suggests you have a problem with a certain kind of immigrants. That may not have been your intent, but I can see why those who could vote with us on the facts, instead get frightened by the language. And when we say "Hispanics" it essentially gives ammunition to those who believe that conservatives are some sort of racist community.

Illegal immigration is a complex, difficult issue that did not start with this President and will not stop with this administration...even if Tancredo himself was elected to the position. Beware those who offer cheap, easy and quick fixes, because are selling you cotton candy and calling it a filling meal of cornbread and stew. There are many, many more considerations at stake, including the influence of Venezuela. There are those who have looked carefully at history and understand there is much, much more to this issue than just putting up a wall.
285 posted on 11/16/2006 6:09:13 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish
Well said, polly.

The hysteria on this issue cost us the House and the Senate, IMO.

And because of that, we lost the fence.

287 posted on 11/16/2006 6:25:21 PM PST by ohioWfan (President Bush - honorably protecting us in dangerous times, . Praise the Lord!)
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To: pollyannaish

I hope you are correct. But mind you, I am one of the voters on here who was stunned by the Democrat take over.
I voted straight ticket (R) and the fact that the democrats won on absolutely zero platform was a huge blow.
You speak of a "common sense" alternative...What exactly is that? And I repeat, I have not spewed hatred, I have "spewed" frustration & confusion. For that I have been called a Troll and hysterical. So I ask you, who in fact is "spewing hate" ?


288 posted on 11/16/2006 7:36:50 PM PST by Nav_Mom
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