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Bush is seeking to turn 'thumping' into a 'great opportunity'
The Daily Telegraph ^
| November 11, 2006
| Toby Harnden
Posted on 11/11/2006 4:08:13 AM PST by MadIvan
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
Keep your comments on the board here for all to see. No more Freepmail.
181
posted on
11/11/2006 11:35:02 AM PST
by
1035rep
To: snugs
"I personally do not care for McCain he is too much of a media whore but liberal that is going too far. "
His two major legislative actions over the last few years were very liberal. The McCain/Kennedy Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill and the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance Reform bill (read what Scalia had to say about that last).
We know them by their actions.
To: 1035rep
"Keep your comments on the board here for all to see. No more Freepmail."
Fine.
To: MadIvan
LOL, good idea but do not hold your breath, looks like Bush is switching parties. I am not at all surprised as I've known all along Bush was not really conservative on anything other then family values.
184
posted on
11/11/2006 11:38:31 AM PST
by
jpsb
To: EnochPowellWasRight; ohioWfan
Your posts do not reflect 50% and statistics do not show that the Conservatives voted for the Republicans regardless of what wing of the party they were from. Read OhioWFan post 3 states were probably were lost due to Conservatives or so called conservatives voting libertarian.
Also I bet your precious conservatives also supported Liebermann rather than the Republican
185
posted on
11/11/2006 11:38:49 AM PST
by
snugs
((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
To: EnochPowellWasRight
He has also supported fellow republicans in their relection campaigns and many times defended the President even though politically they may not always agree.
He was also one of the most vocal Republicans when Kerry made that so called poor joke against the troops.
186
posted on
11/11/2006 11:40:32 AM PST
by
snugs
((An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME))
To: ohioWfan; onyx
Have a great day and keep up the fight for truth!
I'm having serious DSL problems here and need to sign off for now.
187
posted on
11/11/2006 11:41:11 AM PST
by
1035rep
To: EnochPowellWasRight
McCain is a lot of things, but he is not a liberal. Currently, he's on the wrong side of immigration and he was dreadfully wrong on his interpretation of the Geneva Convention.
John fell victim to media attnetion after the Keating Five and he has played to them more than he has kept true to his constituents. He relishes the maverick talk --- he sees himself as a statesman --- sort of like Bob Dole before him.
Enough of that. He won't be our nominee, but it is best that he lose primaries fair and square without mud slinging, because his political hero is Teddy "Moose Party" Roosevelt, and an Independent run by John for POTUS will most assuredly throw the election to the democrat.
188
posted on
11/11/2006 11:41:38 AM PST
by
onyx
(I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
To: snugs
"He was also one of the most vocal Republicans when Kerry made that so called poor joke against the troops."
Good for him. Your point? Does that make the laws he has passed or wants passed better? The question that should be asked of a legislature is what is his legislative goal, not how loyal he otherwise is to his fellow Republicans when it serves his purposes.
When it doesn't serve his purposes, McCain will and has gone after them. Remember McCain's Terrorist Bill of Rights?
To: ohioWfan
It'll have to be a man or woman without a long paper trail. I can already hear the howls here.
190
posted on
11/11/2006 11:42:48 AM PST
by
onyx
(I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
To: 1035rep
191
posted on
11/11/2006 11:43:12 AM PST
by
onyx
(I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
To: onyx
"McCain is a lot of things, but he is not a liberal. Currently, he's on the wrong side of immigration and he was dreadfully wrong on his interpretation of the Geneva Convention. "
CFR too. If his legislative goals are in line with the Democrats, how does that make him "not a liberal"? What is a liberal? Do you think a Republican can't be a liberal?
"John fell victim to media attnetion after the Keating Five and he has played to them more than he has kept true to his constituents. He relishes the maverick talk --- he sees himself as a statesman --- sort of like Bob Dole before him. "
Does he deserve our support for that? Quite a few other Republicans fell into the same trap. They wanted to be liked by the enemy.
"Enough of that. He won't be our nominee, but it is best that he lose primaries fair and square without mud slinging, because his political hero is Teddy "Moose Party" Roosevelt, and an Independent run by John for POTUS will most assuredly throw the election to the democrat. "
Yes it would. A Republican run by Rudy - another liberal - would do the same thing.
To: jpsb
I've known all along Bush was not really conservative on anything other then family values.More conservative than Reagan on tax cuts.
More conservative than Reagan on judiciary appointments.
Completely supportive of the military, as was Reagan.
Far more conservative than Reagan on 'family values'.....including the right of the unborn to live.
Even more conservative than Reagan on securing our borders.
But don't let those pesky old facts get in the way of your endless, nauseating Bush bashing, jpsb.
193
posted on
11/11/2006 11:45:59 AM PST
by
ohioWfan
(If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
To: snugs; ohioWfan
BUMP! You are correct. Anyone who doesn't come through for individual posters 100% of the time, is a RINO.
I have news for the stay at home GOP voters. They are the RINOs. The base voted. ohioWfan, I and others who voted are the base.
194
posted on
11/11/2006 11:46:13 AM PST
by
onyx
(I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
To: snugs
"Your posts do not reflect 50% and statistics do not show that the Conservatives voted for the Republicans regardless of what wing of the party they were from. "
50% of what?
"Read OhioWFan post 3 states were probably were lost due to Conservatives or so called conservatives voting libertarian."
Very likely. The other races were mostly lost due to the independent vote.
"Also I bet your precious conservatives also supported Liebermann rather than the Republican"
There were many here beating the Lieberman drum. I do not believe they were my "precious conservatives".
To: onyx
They'll howl alright. It may have to be a truly stealth candidate.
But President Bush's goal is clear. To keep judges from legislating from the bench, and to have judges who honor the laws and the Constitution.
Thanks to the ubercons, it's going to be a heck of a lot harder now, but I believe he can do it.
As far as I'm concerned, the judiciary is the most important conservative thing he can do domestically. He's two thirds of the way there in transforming the SC. We just have to pray him through the last third.
196
posted on
11/11/2006 11:49:05 AM PST
by
ohioWfan
(If my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray......)
To: EnochPowellWasRight
He sees himself as a statesman and FWIW, a lot of people see him that way too, which is why he leads in MSM polls!
He's not a liberal, but keep telling yourself that if it makes you fell better. You will have lots of company here on FR where McCain is hated, but that doesn;t change the fact that he is NOT a liberal.
Your comment about Rudy tell me all I need to know about you. Thanks.
197
posted on
11/11/2006 11:50:20 AM PST
by
onyx
(I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
To: ohioWfan
"More conservative than Reagan on tax cuts."
Not on spending. At least for a portion of Reagan's administration, federal outlays actually shrank.
"More conservative than Reagan on judiciary appointments."
Yes. Despite Meirs, I agree completely. I also loved the Bolton appointment, recess though it was.
"Far more conservative than Reagan on 'family values'.....including the right of the unborn to live"
Abortion is still as legal now as it was then.
"Even more conservative than Reagan on securing our borders."
Reagan's Amnesty included strict border enforcement (later defunded by Kennedy, of course). The President's doesn't - and the laws exist on the books to secure the border and need nothing from Congress. What's worse, he has the example of Reagan's amnesty and he STILL wants one. Interior enforcement on worksites has dropped an order of magnitude from even Clinton's.
It's a mixed bag.
To: EnochPowellWasRight; snugs
You-hoo.
Please try to post factually.
Democrat turn out --- 31+ million
GOP turn out --- 25+ million.
Don't try to lay blame on Indepenedents.
Pouting purists stayed home and I can hardly wait to hear them howl about SCOTUS.
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posted on
11/11/2006 11:53:11 AM PST
by
onyx
(I'm now a minority and victim of the democrats, but with full and free entitlements!)
To: onyx
"He's not a liberal, but keep telling yourself that if it makes you fell better."
I'm hardly alone in thinking that of McCain.
"Your comment about Rudy tell me all I need to know about you. Thanks. "
Rudy is a northeast liberal. That ought to be obvious from his positions on so many things.
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