Raiding For Women In The Pre-Hispanic Southwest?

Eureka Alert - UChicago ^ | 11-10-2006 | Suzanne Wu

[blam]

GGG Ping.

[verum ago]

how politically incorrect of these researchers! their grants should be removed immediately!

[Question_Assumptions]

Is Kramer Turner related to Christy Turner II and Jacqueline Turner?

[tet68]

we suggest that societies in the Totah (which encompasses the Aztec site) obtained these women from Northern San Juan societies to the northwest through raiding and abduction," write the authors.


Raiding and abduction eh, sure sounds more fun than hanging out in smokey bars AND you might get a horse too.

[Fido969]

Just about all cultures have their violent side.

The idiots who celebrate Native American culture while railing against the "white male patriarchy" forget that tribe were always warring and stealing each other women, etc. etc.

Compared to what was going on there, and in Aztec civilization or whatever, the Europeans were pretty civilized.

[fat city]

Maybe the Mexicans will come kidnap our gays now that gay unions are legal in Mexico City.

[Temple Drake]

Cortez did them all a big favor -- too bad they don't have the sense to appreciate it.

[fatez]

Raiding for booty.

[nonsporting]

Many of the women's remains also bear marks of abuse.

Dismemberment? Cannilbalism?

[ansel12]

I don't know where you got this sexist propaganda, but it contributes to the idea that until the recent feminist movement, women were the spoils of war, rather than it's warriors.


If only the women of that time knew that they could make themselves a knife and spear and defeat the men, or at least stand toe to toe and fight to the death in battle.

[djf]

I saw a blurb on PBS about finding high incidences of infant mortality in some of the declining subcultures down there. The conclusion was it was weather related... bad weather lowering crops yields, thus malnutrition, etc.

Could be the exact same cause for the male/female ratios. Facing decling crops, the males could have had to fall back on more of a hunter/gatherer type existence. A fall back to a lifestyle they were ill equipped to make.

Total speculation on my part, but if these scientist folks are gonna try to present something as if it were solved, ya gotta ask questions.

[blam]

"Is Kramer Turner related to Christy Turner II and Jacqueline Turner?"

I wondered exactly the same thing. Could we tell by checking his teeth? LOL.

[blam]

"I saw a blurb on PBS about finding high incidences of infant mortality in some of the declining subcultures down there. The conclusion was it was weather related... bad weather lowering crops yields, thus malnutrition, etc."

Historical Review: Megadrought And Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico (Hemorrhagic Fever)

[djf]

Some pretty staggering numbers considering we're talking new-world, not Europe or China.

[BenLurkin]

BUMP!

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam.

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[bert]

It's really tough being a scholar.

The limbs some climb out on are pretty limber.

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[wildbill]

I had a colleague in my History Master's degree program from S. Texas. He told me that one of the traditions down there among the old families was for the husband to abduct the bride, sometimes, because of family objections, the abduction was real and sometimes it was fake.

He claimed his grandmother was one of the real abductions.

[ValerieUSA]

Just sounds like typical slavery to me.