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2008 GOP Primary Straw Poll - November 2006
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Posted on 11/10/2006 6:24:21 AM PST by divine_moment_of_facts

Welcome to GOP Bloggers' fifth 2008 Straw Poll. Our straw poll last month tallied over 15,000 votes.

Like our last poll, you get to pick which candidates you find acceptable and which ones you don't and you get to choose which candidate is your first choice for the GOP nomination in 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at gopbloggers.org ...


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To: irishlass
"Ok, so here it the Million Dollar Question, "If Romney runs, does he win MA over Hillary?"

Not a chance. Any candidate with a "D" after his name wins MA. Massachusetts is a permanent lost cause for the GOP and we need to accept it as such. Romney would win NH because of name recognition and he will play well in the swing states of PA / MI / OH / FL.

No party campaigns in MA, they only come here for fund raising, I live here trust me this state is a lost cause. The good news is as people move out, it will lose electoral votes so it will be even less important.
41 posted on 11/10/2006 7:02:16 AM PST by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts; All

And anyone who doesn't like Newt should check out "Winning the Future."


42 posted on 11/10/2006 7:02:43 AM PST by Vision ("As a man thinks...so is he." Proverbs 23:7)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

"Don't get me wrong, I like Newt. He's a damn fine historian and educator, but he has no political clout anymore and no nationwide support base. We need a relatively young, articulate, solidly Conservative governor with no personal baggage or skeletons in his closet to rally around and to carry the Conservative banner forward in 2008."

You're describing Mitt Romney !!


43 posted on 11/10/2006 7:02:59 AM PST by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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To: mtairycitizen

One divorce, voters will forgive. That issue didn't dog Reagan, Dole or Kerry. But two divorces, with the next wife already waiting in the wings both times, not so much. That's what's going to dog both Gingrich and Giuliani.

A lot of Americans -- and a lot of my friends -- have had what are now called "starter marriages." No kids, little community property, not a lot of complication. Take a Mulligan and try again. But three points define a pattern, and a pattern is harder to overlook.


44 posted on 11/10/2006 7:03:06 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: ReignOfError

DO people even get married anymore?

It seems only Gay people want to be married now.


45 posted on 11/10/2006 7:05:09 AM PST by mtairycitizen
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To: snarkytart

The point of the "personal baggage" comments is that Newt will never be able to run away from his reputation as a hypocrite since he was having his own love affair while demanding Clinton's skin for doing the same exact thing. That's the point here.


46 posted on 11/10/2006 7:05:13 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: B Knotts
So, who do you suggest? Newt's the only one I can see out there who is worth supporting.

Flame away, but my choice right now is Giuliani. He came up in the snake pit of NYC politics and prospered. He brought the city back from the dead and made it back into the greatest city in the world again. And he really showed his mettle after 9/11. I know all about his personal baggage and I disagree with him on several issues but on the big thing, the war on terror, he's our best bet. And he could take the battle right to Hillary's base.

47 posted on 11/10/2006 7:06:35 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: Carl LaFong
No doubt the MSM hates, HATES, Newt. They hate him because he's articulate and runs rings around them.

That said, he's a very polarizing person as well. I like him, I like his vision and he was an excellent Speaker of the House.

I'd vote for him without reservation.

I know his personal life is not exactly the ideal, but why is it necessary that he be Ward and June Cleaver. Not everything works out that way.
48 posted on 11/10/2006 7:07:30 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Don't you think it's interesting how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather?)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Now, wait just a minute. Anyone posting on FR should know that the impeachment of der Schlickmeister was not about having a "love affair"; it was about perjury.


49 posted on 11/10/2006 7:07:50 AM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: B Knotts

Yes, it was, but the perjury was a direct result from the Lewinsky affair, and as far as many social Conservatives were concerned, there was no real difference in what Clinton did and what Newt did. That's the sad fact of political life.


50 posted on 11/10/2006 7:09:50 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: engrpat

I agree that Newt is not the man. His time has come and gone. His speakership was marred by the book deal (yes, Hillary and any Democrat can have a book deal, but a Republican cannot and Newt showed a tin ear by going full speed ahead). Let us see who enters the primaries. I see nothing wrong with going with Romney to gain Massachusetts or Rudy to land NY. Ohio has turned blue so some new states have to go red or GOP is out of luck.

Evangelicals largely already left the battle field. They have felt ignored and have retreated to their churches to do what they do. Their forray into politics has not garnered them much, except IRS tax audits and condemnation for improper meddling and being evil (How ridiculous!).


51 posted on 11/10/2006 7:10:45 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: jalisco555
Have you learned nothing this week? Giuliani cannot win, because apolitical social conservatives will stay home, just like they did Tuesday.

Here are the requirements for the 2008 nominee:

  1. Fiscally conservative
  2. Socially conservative
  3. Good communicator
Some might argue that Newt fails on point three, but I think those people haven't been paying attention to Newt's improvement in that area in recent years.

Giuliani unquestionably fails on point two.

52 posted on 11/10/2006 7:11:15 AM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: shalom aleichem
"I see nothing wrong with going with Romney to gain Massachusetts"

I have to step in here again. Romney will not win MA, Repeat it is an impossibility. You could run and unknown candidate with a D after their name and they win in MA. I live here and this state is a permanent lost cause for the GOP. Romney would win NH though and play well in the swing states of OH / PA / MI / FL.
53 posted on 11/10/2006 7:14:27 AM PST by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
The point of the "personal baggage" comments is that Newt will never be able to run away from his reputation as a hypocrite since he was having his own love affair while demanding Clinton's skin for doing the same exact thing. That's the point here.

Actually, Newt stayed mostly silent on the sin of adultery, as he was acutely aware of his own. Similarly, Rush Limbaugh dodged talking about talking about addicts knowing he was one. But that's a fine distinction that won't play in an election year.

When "values" are a package neatly wrapped and tied with ribbon, you can't pick and choose which parts to subscribe to. Same thing happened to Bill Bennett, who had never inveighed against gambling, when it turned out he liked to go all-in. His gambling didn't directly mark him as a hypocrite, but it cost him cred with his core supporters who wrapped gambling along with addiction, sexual immorality, and other moral issues into one neat package with a ribbon and a bow.

54 posted on 11/10/2006 7:15:03 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: B Knotts
"Here are the requirements for the 2008 nominee:

Fiscally conservative
Socially conservative
Good communicator "

That is an excellent list. I would add to that
Minimum personal baggage and ability to connect with people.

On this issue Newt fails horribly and this is the factor that will get at least 10% of the votes required to win so he is a non starter. We have to stop thinking that the candidate has to satisfy us at FR only and expand our thinking to people who will never come to FR and are not ideologues but will vote for a non-offensive, non-polarizing & likeable person: Mitt Romney is very strong on this point.
55 posted on 11/10/2006 7:17:54 AM PST by Maneesh (A non-hyphenated American.)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

"Newt has too much baggage for whom? Not me! And apparently a lot of other people feel the same......"

You know, they all have baggage. Allen self destructed, he was the only clean conservative. So I might give Newt a look, at least in the primaries to keep the others honest.


56 posted on 11/10/2006 7:19:40 AM PST by FastCoyote
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

Are there any conservative, self-made billionares out there who want to run for president? Someone who worked their way from the bottom to the top? Someone who knows how to get things done? Are representatives in government sure as hell don't.


57 posted on 11/10/2006 7:20:46 AM PST by jsmaineconservative
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To: Maneesh

I don't think Romney is perceived as socially conservative. Otherwise, he's probably OK. He's kind of an unknown outside of the Northeast, though.

But, I think you underestimate Newt's communicative abilities. He is not "Newt 1996" anymore.


58 posted on 11/10/2006 7:23:10 AM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: B Knotts
You know what? Ideally I'd agree with you but I see no one out there who both fits your three categories and who is electable. Remember, they will throw everything they have at us in 2008. The Dems and their media allies will pull out all the stops. All Hillary has to do is hold Kerry's states and take Ohio, which is certainly well within reach. Our best chance is to take the battle to the Dem's territory, make them defend New York, New Jersey, Michigan and even California. Who else can do this, do you think?

BTW, as to the socially conservative category, just look at Newt's marital history to see where he really stands on that issue.

59 posted on 11/10/2006 7:23:53 AM PST by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: FastCoyote

Newt has the advantage of the experience of being destroyed by the DemocRATS and MSM once, and learning from it.

But, yeah, I thought Allen might be the guy, possibly, but he is going to need a few years at minimum to rehabilitate after that debacle.


60 posted on 11/10/2006 7:24:48 AM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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