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1 posted on 11/09/2006 9:38:58 PM PST by Logic Times
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Corker, the Republican candidate for Senate in Tennessee, ran a tasteful (at least as tasteful as Ford) but smash-mouth, in your face campaign. He was a gentleman, but didn't try to play the usual Republican old boys' club wink and nod, above all that sort of hardball fighting sort of thing. Corker fought back and used every credible weakness of Ford, and the corrupt Ford Tennessee dynasty, and won. His campaign was exceptionally good.


190 posted on 11/10/2006 1:38:38 AM PST by Twinkie ("I JUST LOVE READING MIA T's THREADS!" exclaimed Little Lulu.)
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195 posted on 11/10/2006 2:08:17 AM PST by Bittersweetmd (God is Great and greatly to be praised.)
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Millions and millions of immigrants, both latino and muslim voted.


197 posted on 11/10/2006 2:22:31 AM PST by tkathy (The choice is clear: White hat people or white flag people.)
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IMO, Tom Delay has it right.

Our side didn't play to win the election, they played to not lose it.

And that "strategy" just about guarantees you a loss every time out.

198 posted on 11/10/2006 2:28:55 AM PST by TeddyCon
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Jackie Mason was on Neil Cauvto yesterday and I think he got it right when he said, "The media won this election for the democrats". He's right!
199 posted on 11/10/2006 2:36:03 AM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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how did they run as conservtives?

The democrats triangulated the republicans. The author has it 100% wrong.

The lesson is that a DINO trumps a RINO.


201 posted on 11/10/2006 4:03:51 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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This "take my ball and go home" strategy seemed to prefer Tuesday’s election disaster to a more measured approach: maintaining control, applying pressure conventionally on elected representatives, seizing upon primaries as a means to nominate more conservative candidates, and, most importantly of all, always opposing liberals. On Election Day, Betrayed Conservatives for the most part ended up pulling the lever for Republicans, but the damage was done. The moderate in the next booth had already heard the noise, listed to the media analysis of a party in ruins, and decided it was "time for a change."

Ummmm. We tried to run a conservative, Pat Toomey, in PA against liberal Republican, Arlen Specter. President Bush pressured Rick Santorum to support Specter. So this argument against "conservative revolt" falls flat -- at least in Pennsylvania.

202 posted on 11/10/2006 5:01:33 AM PST by Tallguy
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Politics has become a cult of personality. See the governor of California.


204 posted on 11/10/2006 5:12:21 AM PST by Crawdad (Is this thing on?)
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Santorums opponent is just as socially conservative as Santorum.


206 posted on 11/10/2006 5:20:23 AM PST by carmody
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Nowhere in this thread does the name "Hastert" appear. His biggest flourish in the media this season came was when the DOJ raided William Jefferson Democrat Louisiana's office, and he was all pisced. Taking the side of a corrupt Democrat, was the message that sent to many. That kind of speakership doesn't serve Newt's legacy well.

R's haven't at least appeared to hold W accountable enough, (Sen Warner tried but too little too late) and all the good apples allowed themselves to be tainted by the 2 bad ones, and didn't effectively counter the MSM anti-war propaganda blitz.


207 posted on 11/10/2006 5:33:46 AM PST by H.Akston (It's all about property rights.)
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"It is true that Republicanism lost on Tuesday, but it lost in all its forms – and that included the exact form of strong, clear conservatism that the movement desperately needs."

Exactly, Republicans were thrown out indiscriminately. Precisely the reason it was the Party and it's leadership who were repudiated, not conservatism. Rush is right.

Reagan used the term conservative all the time, in most every speech and several times throughout the speech. How often do you hear President Bush, or anyone in his administration, use the term conservative?

230 posted on 11/10/2006 8:29:10 AM PST by TAdams8591 (It's the Justices, stupid!)
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[ If the electorate was demanding conservatism, then why did strong, principled conservatives lose? ]

America is becomeing more socialist not LESS.. Conservatism is becoming a socialist enterprise.. Conservatives are very confused.. Social Security(SSA) is is exactly pure socialism.. not like socialism; but exactly express socialism..

232 posted on 11/10/2006 8:46:38 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperboles)
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The fact is, the majority of the American public are ignorant headline readers and all they know is Republicans:

-Are against the right to "choose."
-Hate minorities, especially blacks.
-Are hopelessly homophobic.
-Kill baby seals, every fish in the see and Caribou.
-Worship the rich and hate the poor.
-All belong to exclusive country clubs.
-Believe woman should not be allowed to work.
-Are stupid because they don't get their news from Letterman and John Stewart.

Etc.


246 posted on 11/10/2006 11:05:08 AM PST by subterfuge (Tolerance has become the greatest virtue, and hypocrisy the worst character defect.)
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"[c]onservatism did not lose, Republicanism lost last night. Republicanism, being a political party first, rather than an ideological movement, is what lost last night"

Translation: We need to somehow win back our base

259 posted on 11/10/2006 8:57:14 PM PST by Fraulein
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Rush echoed today what Charles Krathmauer already said, the country isn't becoming more liberal, its becoming more conservative. Let the record show that Charles had it right, first.


260 posted on 11/10/2006 8:57:58 PM PST by rintense (Liberals stand for nothing and are against everything- unless it benefits them.)
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Rush is right. The party has no leader and it didn't run on conservatism.


270 posted on 11/10/2006 9:33:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Ego chatters endlessly on. Mind speaks in great silence.)
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There were many reasons why the GOP lost on Tuesday, but the main reasons are 1). The MSM acted in orchestration with the liberal left to sling so much mud that they have the entire nation thinking conservatives are evil and wrong, and 2). Organizations like Moveon.org targeted congressman and senator for character assassination and got them defeated.

I guarantee this will continue in every election from here on out. Senator McCain did his best to sabotage election reform in favor of liberalism and we have felt the effects.

273 posted on 11/10/2006 10:48:24 PM PST by pctech
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The answer lies in the middle twenty percent, in that portion of the electorate that Logic Times and others unwisely ignored in pre-election analysis.

The "middle ground" vote in 2006 is nowhere near 20%. It is somehwere around 6-8%. He's right that conservatives were not at all gentle in their criticisms. We are passionate people, but we should temper than passion with kindness. However, we are in politics for principled reasons, not reasons of power, and we want to see an agenda enacted.

275 posted on 11/11/2006 8:56:50 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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My opinion? Those guys lost to RATs who actually ran using Pubbie talking points and some, like the RAT in AZ who beat Hayworth, used the very same words to describe his stance on illegals as Hayworth did, although the RAT had a pro-illegal history. I think the Pubbies were beaten by this kind of fraud and other kinds as well. Speaking of fraud, has anyone checked out the illegal Acorn outfit fined for registering thousands of dead voters across the nation? Many illegals with green cards (fake) also voted in many areas. I thought only citizens can vote.


278 posted on 11/11/2006 12:22:10 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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Something like 32% of the nation is conservative, 22% is liberal and 47% is independent or moderate. The GOP lost the middle. And they lost the middle because of Iraq and corruption. It is not rocket science.

Rush is not helping anything right now. The voters want civility and respect from both sides at the moment and Rush is trashing the President for doing just that.

280 posted on 11/11/2006 12:27:54 PM PST by Sunsong
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