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Rush Limbaugh Has It Wrong
Logic Times ^ | 11-9-2006 | Dan Hallagan

Posted on 11/09/2006 9:38:57 PM PST by Logic Times

Rush Limbaugh has it wrong. He stated Wednesday that "[c]onservatism did not lose, Republicanism lost last night. Republicanism, being a political party first, rather than an ideological movement, is what lost last night." (here) This statement – a statement echoed by Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and other conservative pundits to whom a nation of shell-shocked conservatives turned for cathartic analysis – fails a simple test. If the electorate was demanding conservatism, then why did strong, principled conservatives lose? Incumbent conservatives such as Rick Santorum, George Allen, J.D. Hayworth and Curt Weldon to name a few. Superb conservative newcomers such as Ken Blackwell and Michael Steele.

The actions of the electorate last Tuesday was an indiscriminate firing of Republicans, not a thoughtful weeding out of RINOs. It is true that Republicanism lost on Tuesday, but it lost in all its forms – and that included the exact form of strong, clear conservatism that the movement desperately needs.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservative; democrat; election; rush
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To: The Hollywood Conservative
I tend to think that the reason for the Republican loss is mathematical: There are more citizens belonging to the parasite class than the productive class. Ah, but I grow cynical in my old age.
41 posted on 11/09/2006 10:02:56 PM PST by ashtanga
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I've often thought we should preclude those trained as attorneys from public office, since it is such an obvious conflict of interest. Our representatives should be allowed to have attorneys on their staff, but no attorneys should be elected to public office. It's good to find someone else who shares my view.


42 posted on 11/09/2006 10:03:26 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Fledermaus

"They can't raise taxes - it won't fly with the blue dogs (you really think they will repeal the GOP created 10% bracket on taxable income up to about $16K and raise taxes on the "working poor" by $800 a year??? No.)."

Er ... a tax hike is in their *100 hour plan!*


43 posted on 11/09/2006 10:03:38 PM PST by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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To: Steven W.
Curt Weldon

Late campaign scandal


NO, here's why:


A must read book, scary stuff!!!

44 posted on 11/09/2006 10:03:40 PM PST by danamco
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To: Logic Times
In the end, the Republicans have only themselves to blame. If they had slammed the border shut, killed the prescription drug entitlement, and otherwise controlled government spending, they would have won handily.

The only thing he forgot was closing Iraq's borders.

45 posted on 11/09/2006 10:04:47 PM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a Mac)
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To: Logic Times

"Logic Times" = zero credibility.


46 posted on 11/09/2006 10:04:55 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Democracy: The worst form of government, except for all the others.)
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To: Logic Times
If the electorate was demanding conservatism, then why did strong, principled conservatives lose?

Because there were no Conservatives Campaigning on Conservatism??

And those who were Conservative were hiding their principles.. (Cough Allen)

Call me stupid and lets go forward. We have 2-years to get us back on track.

God Bless America,
MaxMax.

47 posted on 11/09/2006 10:05:12 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Logic Times
then why did strong, principled conservatives lose?

Let me see.... Steele -- Maryland is certainly a conservative state. Blackwell -- Ohio's Republican's were the epitome of purity. Santorum -- Bob Casey was a completely Liberal opponent. George Allen -- James Webb is a liberal who hates Ronaldus Magnus. J.D. --- lost.

NOT!!

48 posted on 11/09/2006 10:06:25 PM PST by AndrewC
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To: Sir Gawain

They want the "inevitable" Hispanic vote.


49 posted on 11/09/2006 10:07:00 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: operation clinton cleanup

Voter fraud had a lot to do with close races. Until voter fraud is investigated and prosecuted, this will keep happening.


50 posted on 11/09/2006 10:07:09 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: FlingWingFlyer
I really don't think so. I think he was more of a casualty of the young skulls full of mush from out of state who are attending ASU and the metrosexual, light in the loafer, pixies at the Arizona People's Republic branding him a "bully." They did it, Mitchell's comrades in the "media" picked up on it and turned it into a campaign ad. The young skulls full of mush at ASU didn't like J.D.'s stand against the illegal aliens. They were all protesting outside McCain's office today and demanding that he do something about the proposition we passed that stated that the Arizona taxpayers were no longer going to pay for college diplomas for residents of Mexico.

You are right I will add that our dear governor did everything she could to derail his campaign also. I am anxiously awaiting the counting of the absentee ballots. I believe that the good ole GOP put their money in the wrong places in Arizona.

51 posted on 11/09/2006 10:10:44 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: bybybill

[i]We lost because the experts in selling stuff, the MSM lied about the war since the day it began.
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That's ALWAYS been the case, and that is always going to be the case... If we want to win, we can't complain about it... We just need to overcome it through a more effective articulation of the policies we support and the truth of the facts on the ground.

Unfortunately, THAT'S what this administration has lacked for 6 years.

In the end, when the people understand WHAT the goal is, they will support it... "Stay The Course" worked for the 2004 election... You don't get to use something that squishy twice. We won in 2004 despite it, which gave us 2 years to come up with a BETTER message or strategy that resounded with the people. We didn't. We lost.

I understood why the President and the Republicans were defensive in his first term... The election of 2000 clearly didn't give him a mandate for ANYTHING... BUT, almost exactly 2 years ago, President Bush after winning re-election said "I now have political capital, an I intend to spend it."

Well... Can anybody tell me what he spent it on??? Because that aggressiveness seemed to leave him after his second inaugural.





52 posted on 11/09/2006 10:12:20 PM PST by The Hollywood Conservative (I can't even make a tagline because I'm a GIANT IDIOT!!!)
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To: TeenagedConservative
Anyway, Iraq will take back burner in 2008, and we'll win then.

Not if McPain is our standard-bearer.

53 posted on 11/09/2006 10:13:33 PM PST by rhinohunter (1 RINO down...4 to go!!!)
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To: The Hollywood Conservative

He tried to spend it on Social Security reform. However it was such a non sexy issue that even the base was not enthused. Which is sad because its a real problem


54 posted on 11/09/2006 10:14:20 PM PST by catholicfreeper (Geaux Tigers SEC FOOTBALL ROCKS)
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To: Logic Times

If Bush gets his amnesty for illegals, the GOP may face a long dry period before they ever get control of either Chamber. It make take them decades to ever get control again.


55 posted on 11/09/2006 10:15:26 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: Fledermaus
The NE Rino's did okay.

As I understand it the RINO's lost half their members on Tuesday, so the GOP has been moved to the right. If we are to believe what they say, a great many of the new Dems are more conservative than the old Dems. So if the Dems are more conservative and the GOP is more conservative, how is this a defeat for conservatism.

56 posted on 11/09/2006 10:16:23 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (I went down in 1964 for Barry Goldwater with all flags flying! This is just a blip!)
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To: The Hollywood Conservative
Can anybody tell me what he spent it on???

Dubai ports deal and Miers SC nomination.
57 posted on 11/09/2006 10:17:37 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: kuma

Allen fumbled the macaca remark and got caught in the Webb of mud-slinging and personal attacks.

Plus, Northern Virginia (especially the parts inside the Beltway) and Charlottesville...are rabidly left-wing now.


58 posted on 11/09/2006 10:17:42 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis.)
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To: Tarnsman
"stay the course,"

I took this to be strategic statement, which the President later tried to explain [indicating that was not the case for tactics]. But your average voter doesn't understand the difference, and with the MSM against him and not willing to explain it, this statement was a huge negative for Republicans. The public can't be addressed with the same terminology used when meeting with the Sec. of Defense.

59 posted on 11/09/2006 10:18:04 PM PST by LZ_Bayonet
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To: Rockitz

Yeah, these guys fight each other in the day and drink and play cards with each other after hours. Congress is a conspiracy of lawyers.


60 posted on 11/09/2006 10:19:08 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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