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To: quidnunc
I refuse to blame others for the losses. We lost. Basically there are many Americans who don't agree with conservativism. It is very dissapointing but that's what it is.

One thing though, I have noticed about libertarians I have known personally is that very few seem to want to talk about much beyond making "medicinal" marjiuana legal.

17 posted on 11/08/2006 2:35:03 PM PST by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Rameumptom

""One thing though, I have noticed about libertarians I have known personally is that very few seem to want to talk about much beyond making "medicinal" ""

I am one libertarian Republican who held his nose and voted straight ticket Republican, only because, as bad as the GOP has been lately, the Dems will be worse.

At this juncture, I don't know if I am madder at the Republicans for blowing a(n) historic opportunity to shrink government to Constitutional limits, or the voters for failing to see how bad the Dems will be.

I have worked for Republican candidates, and ran as one myself, getting no support from our local, or state, GOP. I'm done. If this is the best the GOP can do, and if this is what the voters want, good luck. I'm no longer optimistic about America's future.

Rush has often asked Dems why they love Clinton, when he lost them control of Congress. Perhaps they can ask us the same question about Bush. I was always suspicious about why he had to qualify his conservatism by calling it "compassionate." In my mind, conservatism, or at least the Reaganite version, is, by its nature, compassionate.

Bush signed on to the Kennedy version of the education bill, which was stripped of school choice, without which any education reform is just more big government. Bush signed on to the medicare extension, which will cost us massive amounts of money. He must bear a large part of the responsibility for Tuesday's disaster. He's still our President, and I will support him, and, with what the Dems will be putting him through, he will need all of our support, but, he did nothing in either term, except for the tax cuts, to stave off the disaster.

Under the Bush Presidency, and Republican control of Congress, the government has gotten bigger, more expensive, and more intrusive.

Even in his vaunted war on terror, we have been fighting a war, just like Korea and Vietnam, in a limited theater of operations, while the enemy is fighting us worldwide. Now the Dems will make it all worse.

I'm beginning to believe that our electoral system is broken, and another civil war would not surprise me.


162 posted on 11/08/2006 4:50:55 PM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Rameumptom

"Basically there are many Americans who don't agree with conservativism. It is very dissapointing but that's what it is."

IMO, dead wrong. The deal is simply that many people who *do* consider themselves conservatives decided that the Republican party as it stood in office didn't actually *implement* conservative principles. Therefore those people chose to sit out or vote 3rd party.

Obviously in the short-term this means Dims win. Over the last few months I've argued with people on various boards that the expression of their discontent would mean that the polar opposite of their preferred position would win (which, of course, just happened).

Their response was that this may be true but that allowing the status quo would endorse big-government Republicanism, and that a loss now gives an opportunity to enact real conservatism next time. No amount of repetition about how this was going to ensure, for instance, an illegal amnesty, made one dent in those peoples' opinions.

Me, I did my uprooting of RINOs in the primary by helping to vote out Schwarz (MI).

OK, they had their stand, and the first half of the prediction has come true; the Dims are in charge. Now, let's see if we can make the second half of their prediction come true and come back in '08 with a small-government conservative win.


413 posted on 11/09/2006 9:49:18 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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