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Losertarians cost Talent his seat in MO and Burns his in MT>

Stan Jones, the Losertarian running in Montana didn't even know which office he was running for.

He was on the ballot as a candidate for senator (to drastically reduce state government) but his campaign Web site said he was running for governor and he said that he would pardon anyone convicted under laws he considered unjust.

And a conservative third-party candidate running on a pro-trains platform cost Allen the election in VA.

1 posted on 11/08/2006 2:27:14 PM PST by quidnunc
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Right wing republicans and left wing democrats share a delusional common denominator.

Ninety-plus percent of persons don't initiate force, assault, threat of force or fraud against other individuals or their property. It has nothing to do with politics. It's a matter of individual personal choice. A conscious decision each individual must make for himself and herself.

Voting for the lesser of evils still always begets evil.

Republican supporters and their counterpart on the left work to persuade people to vote for their candidates. Whom are "evil", but not as "evil" as the other side of the aisle. Politicians on both sides of the aisle initiate force, threat of force and fraud against United States citizens and their property. 

Right wing and left wing supporters are delusional when they put politicians above themselves and their own principle of not initiating force against anyone or their property.

The democrat supporter says: "Vote for my candidate. He'll abuse you but not as bad as the republican candidate."

The republican supporter says: "Vote for my candidate. He'll abuse you but not as bad as the democrat candidate."

Politics is not the solution -- politics is the problem

Criminals are the problem. The most destructive, most value-destroying criminals are politicians and bureaucrats. You know who they are -- withdraw your support. 

For goodness sake, stop trying to persuade innocent citizens that stand firmly on the principle that no person may initiate force against anyone or their property to join you in support of your brand of value-destroying, force-initiating, criminal politicians. 

Dump the criminals. Stand firm on the principle which you and 90+% of the populace honor and respect of one another. Evermore persons are abandoning their self-inflicted delusions. They're opting out of the lose-lose, vote-for-the-lesser of evils fraud..

174 posted on 11/08/2006 4:59:49 PM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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Losertarians cost Talent his seat in MO and Burns his in MT

This libertarian voted straight Republican. It didn't do any good--too many CONSERVATIVES stayed home--but I did what I could.

As for those who voted Libertarian...if you think the Republicans DESERVE those votes, then the Republicans can TRY EARNING THEM by leaning in a more libertarian direction. But face it: the people who BITCH the loudest about "losing" a handful of libertarian votes (this means YOU) are also the people who are least likely to accept Republican policy moves in that direction.

So you have two choices: advocate and work toward a more libertarian direction for the GOP, or keep poring over the vote tallies and EAT YOUR HEART OUT.

Seriously. I'm good either way.

178 posted on 11/08/2006 5:01:40 PM PST by Physicist
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Sorry people, the liberalitarians are the anti-war, pro-drug, pro-unrestricted immigration party. It is waaaaaay past time to start considering them as dissidents from the GOP.


183 posted on 11/08/2006 5:12:40 PM PST by soccermom
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Libertarians didn't cost the Republicans anything. quit your godforsaken whining and clean your own house instead of pointing fingers.


205 posted on 11/08/2006 6:02:09 PM PST by Libertarian4Bush (the underwear goes UNDER the pants! that's why they call it under-******-wear!)
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This is not the first time. Slade Gorton's margin of loss to (Cantwell? or Murray?) was less than the number of libertarian votes.

They have hurt us here in local races too. ANY close race that is 2-4% libertarian, we lose to the Democrat.


215 posted on 11/08/2006 6:10:01 PM PST by WOSG (Broken-glass time, Republicans! Save the Congress!)
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Quid, you can't have your cake and eat it, too. How many times have you read some self-righteous conservative ridiculing libertarians and encouraging they go elsewhere? No sir, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Republicans can only blame themselves.

Whooops, while the above is partially true, who should receive the credit is a the communist infiltration in academia which led to the subsequent corruption of every government branch or agency, but even more, the media. Scumbag propagandists!

227 posted on 11/08/2006 6:38:05 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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Funny, the jackboot moral authoritarian Freepers always call them "liberaltarians."

You sure they didn't help keep those races close? How can you assume the party that lost a vote to a liberaltarian is the so-called "conservative" one?

245 posted on 11/08/2006 6:59:46 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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In theory, it could pull the Repubicans towards the Libertarians

Not a chance in hell

252 posted on 11/08/2006 7:08:38 PM PST by Mo1 (Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is 2 heart beats away from the Presidency)
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Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
264 posted on 11/08/2006 7:32:14 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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Losertarians cost Talent his seat in MO and Burns his in MT

better republicans cost talent his seat by trying to govern as democrats..god alone knows what those few more republican seat would've cost if they thought they had us well and truly caught

272 posted on 11/08/2006 7:39:33 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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Mike Medved had a segment today ripping Libertarians for "costing Republicans the Senate." He was operating under the popular and false premise that Libertarians owe their votes to Republicans or no one. He mocked the L's, the Constitution Party, and deceased L candidate Harry Browne ("Harry CLOWN"). Nothing like a preference for personal accountability and smaller government to expose Medved for the petty little snot that he is.


292 posted on 11/08/2006 7:56:23 PM PST by TEEHEE
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FU Libs!


302 posted on 11/08/2006 8:05:09 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (God bless our troops!! Our President and those who fight against the awful commie, liberal left!!)
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Noam Chomsky, Distinguished Libertarian


305 posted on 11/08/2006 8:06:23 PM PST by JCEccles
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If we were honest, the Republicans would split about 60/30...60 going to the Constitution Party, 30 going to the Libertarians.


308 posted on 11/08/2006 8:07:02 PM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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I think the GOP deep sixed itself. Everyone assumed that with heavy GOP turnout, that the election was in the bag.

But the assumption that Pubbies would vote the party line was a bad one. Look at Steele's relatively weak performance in the Republican distrits. This scenario was repeated elsewhere in the country.


336 posted on 11/08/2006 8:32:42 PM PST by NV_Chuck
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Any Republican foolish enough to blame the Libertarians for their loss will simply continue to lose.


348 posted on 11/08/2006 9:21:03 PM PST by Junior_G
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In Montana, Democrat Jon Tester, a organic grain farmer who lost three fingers in a meat grinder, prevailed in a protracted contest with three-term Sen. Conrad Burns, who was weakened politically by his ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff. Link:Democrats on Brink of Controlling Senate

So I guess what you are saying is that Abramoff is Libertarian?

Sounds more like this guy should have been taken out in the primary. Sloppy work by the GOP.
349 posted on 11/08/2006 9:24:07 PM PST by microgood
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>>Stan Jones, the Losertarian running in Montana didn't even know which office he was running for.

He was on the ballot as a candidate for senator (to drastically reduce state government) but his campaign Web site said he was running for governor and he said that he would pardon anyone convicted under laws he considered unjust.

And a conservative third-party candidate running on a pro-trains platform cost Allen the election in VA.<<

Disclaimer: I'm never voting Libertarian even though I have some (small L) libertarian leanings. The (big L) Libertarian party is crazy.

But... The Libertarian party did not cost the Republicans the Senate.

1. The race was so close the Republicans could have done things a little different and won. Frankly if Allen had gone after Webb on substance instead of attacking the sex in Webb's war novel we'd have a Republican senate.

2. But more fundamentally, in a healthy two party system there will always be people not happy with either party. If the Libertarian party disappeared tomorrow some other small third party would emerge.

3. This is different than when a Republican loses the nomination and deliberately plays spoiler... then we CAN blame him.
362 posted on 11/08/2006 10:19:27 PM PST by gondramB (It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.)
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I could not agree more. Libertarians have no shot at winning anything, including dog catcher. After all, they'd probably smoke the leashes and declare it a right.

I take solace in the fact that though they voted AGAINST Republicans, they are going to get far worse at the hands of the democrats. They thought the Republicans were bad, wait till Pelosi gets her agenda rolling.


388 posted on 11/08/2006 11:40:52 PM PST by MissouriConservative (Libertarian = aid and comfort to the democratic party)
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Apparently Perot taught us NOTHING!


399 posted on 11/09/2006 4:46:20 AM PST by Highest Authority (DemonRats are pure EVIL)
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