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HAS OUR TIME COME? (Blame CATO/Libertarians for this election result)
CATO Institute by way of Heretical Ideas.com ^ | 10/24/2006 | Tom Traina

Posted on 11/08/2006 8:08:12 AM PST by Matchett-PI

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To: MHGinTN
One can only hope Neal is not in the area of the coming al qaeda slaughter.

Speak for yourself.

101 posted on 11/08/2006 8:59:49 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: My2Cents
Libertatrian, yet (sic). Stiff-necked stupid, no.

You are right, Republicans should stop being "stiff-necked stuped". ;-)

102 posted on 11/08/2006 9:00:53 AM PST by Unknown Pundit (I really do post with a paper bag over my head.)
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To: gjones77
They are so hell bent on voting based on a single issue as opposed to the bigger picture.

There is that idiot lie again.

RKBA. Secure borders. Smaller, more Constitutional government. Private property Rights. Less socialist feel good vote buying schemes. Strong military.

I'm hardly a "one issue" anything and I'm not out of the ordinary either.

103 posted on 11/08/2006 9:01:02 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: DesScorp
They're rampant with atheism.

Most libertarians I know are Christian

They're ardent enemies of any moral codes

Yea you cant trust them around congressional pages, attractive women at a young republican convention oh wait those were entrenched Republicans.

They despise the church.

Not in my experience

104 posted on 11/08/2006 9:01:07 AM PST by N3WBI3 ("I can kill you with my brain" - River Tam)
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To: DesScorp
FreeRepublic is, and always has been a conservative site, not a libertarian site. There's a huge, huge difference.

Boy do you have it wrong! Our founding fathers were conservative. Modern day Republicans and Democrats are NOT conservative. Our founding fathers stood for limited government. The Libertarians are the only Party left that actually believes in limited government.

105 posted on 11/08/2006 9:02:56 AM PST by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: AmishDude
The Republican party would be tactically stupid to even give them a second thought....After all, they gave us Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid...

Tactically stupid to give a second thought to the group that -- according to you -- determined yesterday's election results???

How does that make any sense at all?

106 posted on 11/08/2006 9:02:57 AM PST by kevao
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To: Dead Corpse
"...doubling the size of government..."

By what measure do you make this assertion?

107 posted on 11/08/2006 9:03:00 AM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: marlon
That was before I realized they were rabidly pro-abortion, for legalization of all drugs, which would be the ruin of so many and although the military is one of the branched that they do feel is necessarily part of the governent they apparantly don't believe it should EVER be used. That and of course that 95% of their candidates are total nutjobs.

Amen, brother. (Unfortunately.) If the Founders read some of the assertions Libertarians make in their name, they would leave the room as if to escape a bad smell.

It's too bad not to have balance—to realize that the people's freedom includes public spaces free from certain kinds of vice for which many people (including some Libertarians) seem to have a weakness.

I learned a lot from Libertarians during the Reagan years and met many great minds among them. They did excellent work on economics, which needed to be justified from the ground up after decades of Great Society hogwash. I heard Walter Williams speak at their New York State convention. He seems to be way more conservative than Libertarian now.

We all need to recognize that there is a certain minimum social order needed in order to make economic freedom possible. Liberals and Libertarians share something important: a lack of appreciation of some of the sources of the comfort and opportunity we all enjoy in the West. Two sources I have in mind include our legal prejudices in favor of normal family life and a military that can kick butt. There's no economic freedom when the Huns (or the Mooselimbs, or ACORN) break down your infrastructure and replace it with disorder.

108 posted on 11/08/2006 9:03:47 AM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: TexKat

In full color, too! Thanks! bttt


109 posted on 11/08/2006 9:05:12 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Captain Kirk
"A conservative site? What does that mean? "

Quit playing stupid. You know damn well what it means. I'm sorry that the GOP didn't live up to your Libertarian ideas...no, actually, no I'm not sorry. Despite all of our problems, I'm a Republican and proud of it. And the libertarians can take their "independance" and shove it up their ass. While you people are crowing about how you "showed the Republicans", I have the knowledge that you'll never be nothing but 3rd party nutjob backbiters. Libertarians are claiming to be "real conservatives". Well, you all are full of crap. The Right are the real conservatives, even with our faults. Conservatism will always be defined with religious and moral values, which you anarchists seem to despise so much. So take your snarky atheism and head to be the Democrats lackeys, where you belong.
110 posted on 11/08/2006 9:06:25 AM PST by DesScorp
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To: doug from upland
The Libertarian Party is for totally open borders and not defending our country. They are a problem, not a solution.

While I don't doubt that is what the Libertarian Party says, most libertarians aren't in the party. They are independents or Republican, trying to change the party from within. Most support controlling the border as that is a legitimate power of the state. Not every libertarin subscribes to the LP platform. FWIW. ;-)

111 posted on 11/08/2006 9:07:44 AM PST by Unknown Pundit (I really do post with a paper bag over my head.)
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To: Matchett-PI; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; MHGinTN; Darkwolf377
Watch the vocal Libs suddenly become very, very quiet on this site.
Darkwolf377

Small 'l' Goldwater/Reagan type libertarians have no need to be quiet, as the republican party leadership is responsible for failing to include their constitutional philosophy in a Republican platform.

112 posted on 11/08/2006 9:12:20 AM PST by tpaine
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To: AmishDude
Libertarians will ALWAYS find something to complain about regarding Republicans. Always.

That's merely because it's such a target-rich environment. ;-)

113 posted on 11/08/2006 9:12:42 AM PST by Unknown Pundit (I really do post with a paper bag over my head.)
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To: dbehsman

"When your taxes go up, don't complain."

I will not !! I believe in PAYING for what I buy, and not using my children's and grand-children's credit cards to do it like you "Cut Taxes Durng a War" repubs. This country has never cut taxes in the middle of a war until GWB got elected.


114 posted on 11/08/2006 9:13:24 AM PST by LM_Guy
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To: N3WBI3

You said it perfectly ! In a picture and words !!


115 posted on 11/08/2006 9:15:00 AM PST by LM_Guy
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To: DesScorp
Libertarians are claiming to be "real conservatives". Well, you all are full of crap. The Right are the real conservatives, even with our faults. Conservatism will always be defined with religious and moral values, which you anarchists seem to despise so much.

DesScorp for Senate Minority Leader! :)

116 posted on 11/08/2006 9:16:46 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: AmishDude
Republicans and Democrats expect everyone to be in lock-step with them. Both Parties would prefer that we were all little robot minions. Folks with a libertarian streak can appreciate a persons personal individuality (within reason).
117 posted on 11/08/2006 9:17:51 AM PST by rivercat (The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers. - William Shakespeare)
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To: tpaine

"Conservatives need a slap in the face."

November 02, 2006

The 2006 Choice

By Cal Thomas
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/11/the_2006_choice.html

Conservatives who are upset that Republicans haven't done enough during their 12 years in control of the House and Senate and nearly six years in control of the White House need a slap in the face.

Republicans may have controlled all three branches of government, but conservatives haven't.

If conservatives believe enough has not been done to advance their agenda, let them work to elect more conservatives, not hand control of Congress over to a party controlled by far-left liberals who have no intention of moderating their tone or watering down their beliefs after the election.

One issue should trump all others for conservatives: judges.

As Manuel Miranda of Third Branch writes in Human Events, "If the GOP loses the Senate, precedent shows that more than 60 Bush judicial nominees will never get a Judiciary Committee hearing under the chairmanship of Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.).

Republicans will be unable to stop a filibuster of a next Supreme Court nominee and countless circuit court picks. This will dwarf Democrats' past six years of obstruction."

Liberals have used the courts for decades to bypass the public will and impose a secular agenda on the country.

If they win control of the Senate, their current leadership will be emboldened to continue that practice.

Any judge who manages to make it onto the bench will most likely be of the judicial philosophy of Anthony Kennedy and David Souter. Republican presidents named both men because they thought it would be easier to win the approval of Senate Democrats. Neither turned out to be conservative, despite the White House sales job to conservative groups.

Then there is the war.

We live in a time when most people do not remember what a real war looks like.

Some are horrified that nearly 3,000 Americans have died in the Iraq War, but ignore that in World War II more than 407,000 Americans died. Sixty-two million were killed on all sides.

Some say this war is taking longer than that war.

That's because this war is different from that war in that it has no home state, unless we abandon Iraq. And the enemy accepts no rules for fighting it.

Democrats speak only of withdrawing American troops and of how our presence inflames the enemy, yet they have no explanation for what inflamed them before the war.

President Bush may have to change tactics, as he has said he is willing to do, but he understands the challenge. This isn't Vietnam.

This is a religious-philosophical war for control of the planet.

Anyone who thinks any objective other than the complete defeat and humiliation of these Islamofascists will deter them from their goal of world domination is self-delusional.

Last week over lunch, I asked Vice President Dick Cheney about conservative angst. He said in previous campaigns, "I would have given a lot to get an economy this good to be able to run on." Noting the recession that occurred right after he and the president took office in 2001, Cheney told me, "We (also) had 9/11. . We had Katrina, a war.

We had to spend a lot of money on the war and homeland security. And so a series of repeated shocks... to the economy and here we are, we've got 4.6 unemployment. We added 6.6 million new jobs in the last three years. Productivity is running at an all-time high. More Americans (are) working than ever before. Inflation is under control. . The stock market has hit all-time records.

What do you want? How much better do we have to make it before people say, 'yes, that's pretty good'?" It's a good question.

Is there anyone who believes government doesn't have enough of our money? Then vote for Democrats.

Is there anyone who thinks withdrawing from Iraq before the country can stand on its own against terrorism means there won't be more terrorism? Then vote for Democrats.

Do you prefer liberal judges reading their prejudices into the Constitution and increasingly depriving us of our right to decide our own future? Then vote for Democrats.

If not, conservatives should vote Republican and then work to continue advancing conservative goals. Those goals are more likely to be reached under Republicans than under Democrats.

That's the choice this year, a choice that will be made whether one votes, or cuts and runs out of a false notion that Republicans need to be punished for not doing more.

As the vice president said, "What do you want?"

bttt


118 posted on 11/08/2006 9:19:51 AM PST by Matchett-PI (To have no voice in the Party that always sides with America's enemies is a badge of honor.)
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To: Matchett-PI

But...but...I thought us LIBERAL-tarian votes only accounted for .00001% of the vote anyway....so why the long face?


119 posted on 11/08/2006 9:21:45 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Why can't Republicans stand up to Democrats like they do to terrorists?)
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To: Matchett-PI
Maybe if we had a republican party faithful to conservative government and a democrat party faithful to the workers themselves (not the unions thereof) and both faithful to the Constitution, we wouldn't have a Libertarian paarty at all, doncha think?

I think I heard the globalists say to both parties, as the Pharasees said to Judas, "See thou to that."

120 posted on 11/08/2006 9:22:20 AM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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