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Time to say Mr. Rumsfeld, your services no longer needed?

Posted on 11/07/2006 10:04:17 PM PST by meandog

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To: DaveLoneRanger
"I have not permitted myself, gentlemen, to conclude that I am the best man in the country; but I am reminded, in this connection, of a story of an old Dutch farmer who remarked to a companion once that 'it was not best to swap horses while crossing streams'." - Aberaham Lincoln, June 9, 1864

Is that why he canned Cameron, plus Generals Pope, Hooker, "Little Mac," Burnside and Meade? He did it to win and preserve the union...Bush could take a lesson!

61 posted on 11/07/2006 10:24:05 PM PST by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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To: meandog
Iraq shipped the bulk of its WMDs outside their country in the 1990s. They went to Yemen, Sudan and Libya. It's only the remaing tell-tale equipemnt and matierials to restart their programs that went to Syria.

Much of the bulk precursor chemicals that remained which didn't get dumped in the Euphrates we simply dismissed as "pesticide."

62 posted on 11/07/2006 10:24:43 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: meandog
Another reason to get rid of him is that there won't be someone for the Dims to grill once the investigations begin after Jan. 20.

Are you under the impression that private citizens can't be called to testify at Congressional hearings? I remember a certain John Dean who left a job as a White House staffer, and still had to spend a certain amount of time testifying in Congress.

63 posted on 11/07/2006 10:24:56 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (These days you are either nervous and uncomfortable or you are braindead!)
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To: meandog

I think he's done an excellent job.


64 posted on 11/07/2006 10:24:58 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: fhlh
I agree we got two years to win this war in now.

Actually a few well placed nukes would have won this election for the repubs in my opinion.

I don't think people really voted against the war as much as they voted against how it is being fought.

Couple that with the weak immigration policy and here we are today.

The American people do not appreciate the ungratefulness of the Iraqi's.

It sickens me to think of those who have died for what appears at this point to be a war lost by our home front politics and spineless leadership.

GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS!

I don't want Rummy to go I just wish he would ramp it up to the max.

65 posted on 11/07/2006 10:25:59 PM PST by right way right
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To: Terpfen

>> What exactly has he botched? <<

By turning "Shock and Awe" into "Shuck and Jive

>>Additional troops would not help the situation right now.<<

Yep, the opportunity was lost many months ago by his refusal to commit more troops. REASON--he put too much faith in technology (UAVs and such) and too little faith in the will of patriots to fight when their country was attacked (draft)!


66 posted on 11/07/2006 10:27:12 PM PST by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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To: meandog

I stand with Rumsfeld. I appreciate your point of view, but I disagree.

I will say that I am not confident he will not step down. You may get what you have asked for. And maybe that will work out well.

We lost 23,000 men in one day during the Civil War. The South was winning up until that point. And had today's media spun as they do now, we'd have for certain been told the north lost that battle. Instead it was the turning point of the war.

We're doing just fine. Most of the troops returning home are pissed to see what the media is doing. I say stand up like men and tell the media to go to hell.


67 posted on 11/07/2006 10:27:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: quidnunc

It's a bad move, but Rumsfeld will be offered up as the sacrificial lamb. Bush shoudld then leave the position vacant! The Dems. made the election about Iraq and they won. By proxy, Rumsfeld lost.

The Republicans are going to look to 2008 with the belief that "Cut and Run" is what Americans now want.


68 posted on 11/07/2006 10:27:35 PM PST by johnpannell
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To: DoughtyOne

I should have said, there were 23,000 men lost on that day, both sides total.


69 posted on 11/07/2006 10:27:47 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: meandog

The war in Iraq has been an overwhelming success:

1. Saddam is out of power

2. Saddam's sons were killed

3. Saddam was captured

4. Iraq has held three elections with higher turnout than here

5. Iraq has a consitution-- the EU does not.

6. Al Qaeda reports 4,000 of its recruits killed in Iraq

7. Zarqawi was killed by US forces in Iraq.

8. We control all parts of Iraq.

9. Anti coalition forces have yet to win a single battle in Iraq

10 The initial ground seizure of Bagdad was brilliant though Carl Levin ranking democrat predicting more than 10,000 casualties.

11. 94% of Iraqis despise Al Qaeda which means we have won the hearts and mind war more than any other place on the earth. You could build an al qaeda cell here in the US easier than in Iraq.



Anyone who thinks the Iraq was is a failure is just wrong.


70 posted on 11/07/2006 10:28:43 PM PST by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: meandog

You're making absolutely no sense. Additional troops have served no purpose since the end of combat operations against the former Iraqi Army.

More to the point, it wasn't Rumsfeld's decision to keep troop levels where they're at; the commanding generals had that authority delegated to them.


71 posted on 11/07/2006 10:28:44 PM PST by Terpfen (And in the second year, Nick Saban said "Let there be a franchise quarterback...")
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To: meandog
A Lincoln-related question:

What were the results of the 1862 mid-term elections?

72 posted on 11/07/2006 10:29:08 PM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: right way right
"The American people do not appreciate the ungratefulness of the Iraqi's."

This is absolutlely my feeling... f*&k em
73 posted on 11/07/2006 10:30:06 PM PST by fhlh (Polls are for Strippers.)
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To: xjcsa

Interesting, good points.
When that Saddam statue came tumbling down, you can bet the leaders of surrounding terrorist regimes were taking note. If we can do it to Iran, we can do it to them. Imagine the improvements in what the State Dept has been able to get in cooperation from some of those miscreants, because they finally know we mean business. The entire balance of power has shifted in the middle east, in our favor, but there is no MSM news that makes that clearly understandable to the average American.


74 posted on 11/07/2006 10:30:34 PM PST by baa39 (Quid hoc ad aeternitatem?)
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To: baa39; MaxMax
Which folks who work there, the troops fighting for freedom, or a bunch of desk jockeys? The old garde in the Pentagon does not like Rummy becuase he makes them work their arses off and demands accountability at all levels

What about HIS accountability...look, I remember a pretty good Chief of Naval Operations who resigned his post after the infamous tailhook and Iowa tragedy because in his words he became "a lightening rod" for the Navy. Well, Rummy is that lightening rod for the GOP!

75 posted on 11/07/2006 10:30:38 PM PST by meandog (While Bush will never fill them, Clinton isn't fit to even lick the soles of Reagan's shoes!)
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To: meandog

Between seeing the election results tonight, and the posts this one and others like it, I am speechless to describe my utter discust. Any other of the Presidents Cabinet memebers you wish to attack tonight while your on a roll?


76 posted on 11/07/2006 10:31:15 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: meandog

You ever consider the fact that you might just be wrong? Tell me the strategy ace. I want to hear it.


77 posted on 11/07/2006 10:31:47 PM PST by kinoxi
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To: meandog

Perhaps you would like Senator Inouye for SecDef- he's the guy behind Shinseki.


78 posted on 11/07/2006 10:32:39 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: quidnunc

I'm with you and Rummy.....


79 posted on 11/07/2006 10:32:43 PM PST by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: meandog
Do you want to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
The fact is the voters don't want war and think we can have peace and freedom without defending it. Times are good we just have to learn to speak Arabic.
80 posted on 11/07/2006 10:34:14 PM PST by Big Horn (Life is a sexually transmitted disease that is 100% fatal . Author unknown)
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