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Live Thread - California General Election - 7 November 2006

Posted on 11/07/2006 7:06:48 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture

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To: calcowgirl
That's weird... the votes and time didn't change but the precincts reporting did.
Let's hope there aren't a bunch of absentee ballots that turn this
100.0% ( 377 of 377 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2006 at 3:26 am  
  
  Candidate            Votes  Percent 
  Lou Correa (Dem)    38,666   49.9 %  
  Lynn Daucher (Rep)  38,679   50.1 %  

381 posted on 11/08/2006 3:40:51 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: calcowgirl

Can't get much closer than that. Very odd about the precinct numbers changing.


382 posted on 11/08/2006 3:54:12 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: newzjunkey

Turning in for the night!


383 posted on 11/08/2006 3:55:15 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: newzjunkey

Ooops... that was my initial mistake.
I cut and pasted from the summary of all Senate races (so that was all of the precincts vs. just those for District 34).

G'nite.


384 posted on 11/08/2006 4:05:00 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: newzjunkey

Ooops... that was my initial mistake.
I cut and pasted from the summary of all Senate races (so that was all of the precincts vs. just those for District 34).

G'nite.


385 posted on 11/08/2006 4:05:03 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: goldstategop

I wouldn't go that far. One the bright side: 86, 87, 88, and 89 were all handily defeated.


386 posted on 11/08/2006 5:40:49 AM PST by TrojanConservative
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To: goldstategop
... Why should we support a party like that? They shouldn't a dime from conservatives.

Written like a true ilk! Just exactly what I expected from the ilk herd, after causing as much division as possible in the republican base, to kick them while they're down and prevent them from rebuilding.

387 posted on 11/08/2006 7:07:48 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: calcowgirl
... we were called liars "DICCs" and most recently "pricks." ...

Well deserved, too. The ilk found the way to neutralize conservative gain. If the ilk had spent a tenth the time criticizing demonrats instead of republicans they wouldn't have been such a caricature driving people away from the right.

Now the herd will continue to divide the right so they can't rebuild. Phony conservatives are enemy stooges.

388 posted on 11/08/2006 7:24:24 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: backtothestreets; All

Thanks! Well, appears like I've woken up to a McClintock defeat. That's too bad. If anyone deserved to win in this entire election it was him.

I really am having a hard time coming to grips that *Garamendi* beat him!

Looks like we have to look forward to Governor Reconquista in 2010 now. Lovely.


389 posted on 11/08/2006 7:26:54 AM PST by rom
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To: goldstategop

In the next 3 years, if I can figure out a way to move out of here, I will. I'm trying to work out a plan, but unfortunately in my industry it is hard to find work outside of California (or gasp, Vancouver -- which won't be happening).

This state has become the most unmanageable in the union. The Legislature is a joke (and redistricting has ensured that Republicans are a PERMANENT minority) and the only way to Govern evidently is to be a RINO or a Democrat in the mold of Clinton (pretend to be a middle-of-the-road Dem).

And we appear to be legislating via direct democracy these days. Once you hit that point, then the end is truly in sight. Rule by mob is now here folks.


390 posted on 11/08/2006 7:33:29 AM PST by rom
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To: 68 grunt

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1734738/posts?page=36#36


391 posted on 11/08/2006 8:07:15 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: 68 grunt
Yes, you are. You, Duf, Arnold, and the rest of the CAGOP gutless cowardly pukes.
392 posted on 11/08/2006 8:59:49 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs - the OTHER white meat)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Nice. Spoken like true keyboard warrior ilk. Loser!


393 posted on 11/08/2006 9:47:40 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

Grow up keyboard loser troll.


394 posted on 11/08/2006 9:51:32 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs - the OTHER white meat)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

The only consistancy you ilk display is your attempts to divide.


395 posted on 11/08/2006 9:54:52 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: 68 grunt

NO, that is your tactics, troll. I am out fighting for my constitutional rights and civil liberties. What have you done for me lately? That's what I thought. Squat. You're about as useful to me as a cockroach. You're nothing but cancer. Away troll.


396 posted on 11/08/2006 9:57:54 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs - the OTHER white meat)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Show me one post from me where I've attacked any republican candidate and I'll accept your condemnation. Until then, keep up the disruption, ilk.


397 posted on 11/08/2006 10:00:48 AM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: newzjunkey; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; FairOpinion
Well, Tom's pollster was pretty right on. The margin was 5%. However, who was on top was well off.

Lt Governor

John Garamendi (Dem)	3,296,759	49.5 %	
Tom McClintock (Rep)	2,991,496	44.9 %


Governor Phil Angelides (Dem) 2,656,936 39.2 % Arnold Schwarzenegger (Rep) 3,784,991 55.8 %


Sec. of State Debra Bowen (Dem) 3,180,635 48.5 % Bruce McPherson (Rep) 2,929,187 44.7 %


Controller John Chiang (Dem) 3,326,831 50.9 % Tony Strickland (Rep) 2,617,582 40.0 %


Att. Gen Jerry Brown (Dem) 3,743,201 56.7 % Chuck Poochigian (Rep) 2,504,546 37.9 %


Treasurer Bill Lockyer (Dem) 3,564,910 54.8 % Claude Parrish (Rep) 2,408,928 37.0 %


Ins. Commissioner Cruz Bustamante (Dem) 2,532,095 38.9 % Steve Poizner (Rep) 3,299,029 50.6 %


US Senate
Dianne Feinstein (Dem)		3,984,426	59.7 %	
Richard "Dick" Mountjoy (Rep)	2,330,782	34.9 %


Props	 	 	  	  	Yes Votes 	 %	No Votes 	 %
1A	Y 	 Transp Fund Protect	4,984,422	76.6%	1,524,715	23.4%	Map
1B	Y 	 Hwy/Air/Port Bond	3,994,398	61.3%	2,528,828	38.7%	Map
1C	Y 	 Housing Shelter Fund	3,751,116	57.5%	2,775,577	42.5%	Map
1D	Y 	 School Facility Bond	3,698,150	56.6%	2,844,638	43.4%	Map
1E	Y 	 Disaster/Flood Bond	4,136,879	64.0%	2,332,529	36.0%	Map
83	Y 	 Sex Offender Reform	4,639,578	70.5%	1,941,822	29.5%	Map
84	Y 	 Water/Flood/Park	3,470,895	53.8%	2,984,648	46.2%	Map
85	N 	 Parental Notificat.	3,033,015	45.9%	3,574,013	54.1%	Map
86	N 	 Cigarette Tax		3,210,272	47.9%	3,490,542	52.1%	Map
87	N 	 Energy/Oil Tax		3,017,135	45.3%	3,631,509	54.7%	Map
88	N 	 Educ. Fund/Prop. Tax	1,511,145	23.1%	5,018,819	76.9%	Map
89	N 	 Campaign Public Fund	1,652,771	25.5%	4,810,377	74.5%	Map
90	N 	 Eminent Domain		3,073,677	47.5%	3,394,145	52.5%	Map 

398 posted on 11/08/2006 11:20:50 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: calcowgirl
IMO, that was very naive and all you had to do was step back and see how many times that excuse was given. Exactly when have we not been in an election cycle since the recall?

I was talking about supporting Arnold in an election cycle, specifically for the Special Election and this General.

Over and over, people were criticized for opposing leftist actions taken by the Governor. Had Gray Davis attempted half of this stuff, Republicans would have been up in arms! The exact time to criticize is before an election when they want your vote, not after when they no longer have any reason to pay attention.

If that's your belief then you should never criticize Arnold again as he won't stand for election again. I never said he was above criticism, I was just more willing to give him due credit and focus on the absolutely lunatic Dem opposition, the union thugs, etc. Arnold is and was a tool, responsive to outrages (car tax, driver's licenses for illegals, gay marriage, etc.), and by articulating reasons to oppose the mentally ill legislature (which was voted back despite miniscule approval ratings) it served our cause more than slashing at Arnold. Politicians, and Arnold as a creature of celebrity, are often motivated by desire for approval. That's your leverage with Arnold.

You see, my problem has been with what I see as an over-personalization of assault on Arnold rather than assault on policy, articulating why a policy is a fool's errand, etc. Even when he took the battle to the unions, somehow he just couldn't do anything right in many eyes around here. It's ridiculous and unhelpful!

I hit Bush hard but Bush claims to be a conservative and, honestly, the stakes are higher. Arnold has always run and acted as a populist, my expectations have been ever lower.

Where was that opposition going to come from, NJ??? The opposition was the very thing that you joined in stifling because it might "harm Arnold" (as you stated above).

False. I was aggressively critical of the bonds, *the proposals*, but not Arnold for agreeing to put them before the voters. Attacking him over that is a distraction. That was politics, let's debate proposals not personalities when it's the proposal on the ballot! Obviously there were more than a million people who agreed more bond debt was a bad idea and yet, somehow, our voice and view did not gel into an organized opposition to this or that particular bond.

I did not take the party's view that saying YES on just a few proposals was as strong as saying NO to the others. NO needs to be articulated and somehow it didn't materialize. That seems to have been a CAGOP strategy but in a nation of free political speech and free flow of finances, no one was kept from organizing opposition to this or that bond issue. Somehow it just didn't happen. I'm curious as to why. Twas it a conspiracy of silence by those who have money for such opposition campaigns?

Truthfully, I feel the bad bonds are more dangerous to our state's health than any particular political race.

I've learned a lot since the recall. I had hope for Arnold, I've been greatly disappointed. I had hope for McClintock and disturbed by his loss and, unlike you and many here don't blame Arnold for McClintock's loss. Somehow billionaire Poizner won, after all. McClintock failed to counter Garamendi's slanderous ads but, bottom line, it seems to me unless you can very nearly win in L.A., you're not going to win statewide.

How do we change the political culture of L.A.? Can we?

I love the idea of breaking the state because there's a hell of a lot more to this state than Los Angeles.

399 posted on 11/08/2006 11:54:46 AM PST by newzjunkey (Osama is smiling today.)
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To: calcowgirl; newzjunkey

win some lose some, I wish Tom well and thank him for trying to do what he saw as the best thing for california, whether I agreed with it down the line or not.


400 posted on 11/08/2006 12:44:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Aloha!!!)
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