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Oh dear.

Regards, Ivan

1 posted on 11/05/2006 2:06:19 AM PST by MadIvan
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Ping!


2 posted on 11/05/2006 2:06:47 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: MadIvan

Good. They richly deserve each other. And if one could, by some magic wand, saddle the Chinese with every basket case in the world, they would surely collapse under the weight.


3 posted on 11/05/2006 2:11:39 AM PST by GSlob
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To: MadIvan

They are realists and tough-minded in pursuit of their own interests. They going to do very well in Africa and elsewhere and get what they want (oil, allies on their UN votes) while Western governments funnel all their aid $$ through NGOs which sit around dithering about whether enough gender equity seminars have been held in the donee country.


5 posted on 11/05/2006 2:33:02 AM PST by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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To: MadIvan
refusal to link aid and investment to human rights or democracy as it scrambles for assets in Africa

Why would they want or should make such link? They are pragmatic, they want resources, markets, and allies.

7 posted on 11/05/2006 5:05:26 AM PST by A. Pole (Deng Xiaoping: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.")
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Opposition groups and human rights activists say prestigious projects such as the stadium refurbishment are inappropriate when millions of Zimbabweans have been impoverished by inflation and disastrous economic policies.

Inflow of money WILL improve lives of Zimbabweans. For example they will work at this stadium refurbishment and they will use it.

8 posted on 11/05/2006 5:07:09 AM PST by A. Pole (Deng Xiaoping: "It doesn't matter whether the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice.")
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China is one superpower that could go in and clean up the tribal messes of Africa in a colonial way without anyone (MSM)calling them racist. Not saying this bodes well for the rest of the world but Africa needs a babysitter willing to kill off the murderous thugs that have ruined this continent.


10 posted on 11/05/2006 5:37:58 AM PST by liberty or death
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Beijing makes play for Africa

And second prize is ?

12 posted on 11/05/2006 7:50:45 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (The hallmark of a crackpot conspiracy theory is that it expands to include countervailing evidence.)
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To: MadIvan

China has jumped the shark. Africa is a bottomless pit.


16 posted on 11/05/2006 11:16:19 AM PST by RightWhale (RTRA)
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Africa had better bring a very long spoon.


17 posted on 11/05/2006 11:16:51 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: MadIvan
Boy this proves that Chi-Coms are dumber then a sack of potatoes.

I don't think we have anything to worry about. China can pour all the money they want down Mugabe's rat hole and it will remain a rat hole. The "money to refurbish the stadium" is a clear indication of this. Talk about a waste of money. If they really wanted a return on their investment they would sink money into roads and actual useful infrastructure. But then Communists have never been smart. They are sinking money into a country with an economy that is shrinking on an average of 8% a year.

On the other hand India is investing in Kenya and Tanzania where the economy is expanding on the average of 6% a year.

The smart money is on India.

21 posted on 11/05/2006 11:57:02 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (De inimico non loquaris sed cogites)
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For at least a couple of years on FR, I've been seeing this coming.

China needs the mineral resources of southern Africa (South Africa and Zimbabwe). China does NOT need the Africans. They have millions of excess peasants who can come over and work the mines and the farms. The Africans will then be treated like the American Indians: driven off or killed

In exchange for being the figurehead who allows this, Mugabe will be allowed to retire to a nice estate in China, and will bring along all the women he wants to grab

37 posted on 11/05/2006 2:15:42 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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Kind of old news. China has been investing quite a lot of dough to develop African resources for quite a few years now.


50 posted on 11/05/2006 2:43:17 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Mathemeticians are machines that turn coffee into theorems.)
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Been going on for years, the courtship of China/Africa.

I was in Beijing 10 years ago (and of course since) and even then there were lots of dealings with Africa... and thousands of Africans "on business" in China.

58 posted on 11/05/2006 4:23:50 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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