Posted on 11/05/2006 2:06:18 AM PST by MadIvan
Why are these commie defenders on an American political forum?
Because they are the major counter balance to the Chinese.
Do you have any idea how many Indians live in Africa? They are not just trading they are going in buying land and living there.
You don't see Chinese, not even in the game parks. You do see a lot of Indians.
You get three guesses and the first two don't count. :)
"More faux-history.
It is amazing that how the defenders of Communist regimes all have the same talking points."
I'd suggest that you take a look at the links bookmarked in my profile as well as my blogsite. You'll find that I'm no defender of Communist regimes.
As for referring to my previous statement as "Faux-History", call it whatever you like, but the fact remains that many of the dictators that have been a pain in our arse, are the ones our governments policies have helped bring to power.
Mao [ca. 60 million dead] has never attempted a 'transculturation' - "transcivilization", rather - but functioned fully within the Chinese civ, as a modern day "Son of heaven", albeit in a rather modern garb. One could argue that transcivilizing the Chinese would have taken not 60 million dead but many more.
Your statement was an out and out lie. The US had nothing to do with bringing Saddam to power.
No need. I just got back from there in March.
You may believe what the newspaper says. I will believe my not lying eyes.
On the other hand the UK is doing a marvelous job building a very nice road in Kenya. That was another thing that I saw.
"Your statement was an out and out lie. The US had nothing to do with bringing Saddam to power."
I didn't say the US brought Saddam to power, but the US DID SUPPORT him during the Iran - Iraq war. That's a fact, Jack.
That's what happens when you rely on short-sighted foreign policy.
Kind of old news. China has been investing quite a lot of dough to develop African resources for quite a few years now.
True.Anything the Chinese do in Africa is for the benefit of the CHINESE,not the Africans.
And if Africans thought the WHITE colonialists were brutal and racist,wait till they get a taste of racism Oriental style!
*sigh* Am I going to have to go through this again? No it is not a fact. Saddam was armed and supported in that war by the USSR, france and China. The US gave him some intelligence during the first part of the war but even that stopped when it was found that he was a sleazy nut ball.
One does not exclude the other. China needs natural resources and friends. African countries need industrial products, infrastructure and technical help. It is a win win situation.
And if Africans thought the WHITE colonialists were brutal and racist,wait till they get a taste of racism Oriental style!
Chinese are not so stupid as to alienate Africans and made them into enemies. If both sides need one another they will cooperate freely.
and again..you don't see the pattern.
You just pick and choose the points you want to see.
I'd be interested to see how you would explain Castro's coming to power.
The US has a long history of short-sighted foreign policies that continue to bite us in the ass. Period.
You are the eternal optimist,Pole.
I plain don't trust Communists period.
Did you ever read Che's Africa Diaries?He was very contemptuous of African people.Seems they weren't disciplined enough to be "real"revolutionaries.
I think the Chinese just can't help their own racism and sense of superiority when it comes to Africans.
Hell,the Chinese Americans I know will in their moments of honesty tell you that most Chinese think they are more gifted than white people,not to mention blacks and Latinos.
Present day Chines has mixed system where people can have their own business and usually they are free to travel. Very different from Maoism or Stalinism. (BTW, I grew up under psot Stalin Communism so I have some personal insight)
And there is a very easy way to prevent Chinese inroads into Africa: Western countries should offer Africa BETTER deal. Simple like that!
I would like to know the opinion of Harmless Teddy Bear about Batista and Somoza.
I was in Beijing 10 years ago (and of course since) and even then there were lots of dealings with Africa... and thousands of Africans "on business" in China.
It was one of their only foreign deployments ever.
Exactly!! China would love to push all Africans into the ocean and make Africa a Chinese continent. Unlimited children will be allowed of course. Might happen in our lifetimes.
China needs lebensraum and Africa fits the bill
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