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N.Va. Boys' Championship Dream Doomed by a Moment of Vengeance
The Washington Post ^ | 11/4/06 | Timothy Dwyer

Posted on 11/04/2006 4:21:46 AM PST by T-Bird45

The South County Raptors, a scrappy football team made up of 12- to 14-year-old boys from southern Fairfax County, were supposed to meet the Herndon Hornets today in the first round of the county playoffs.

Instead, the Raptors are at home, their season over with no possibility of a championship after a league commissioner fired the head coach and the assistant coach this week. Their offense? They moved the commissioner's son from defense to offense for the final game of the season last Saturday, an overtime win that put the Raptors in the postseason.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: football; jerk; playoffs
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To: T-Bird45
He also said his fellow players feel bad for Hinkle's son because he is well liked and worked hard. Michael added that he is sure the boy didn't know that his father had dictated what position he would play.

Dear old dad.

141 posted on 11/04/2006 1:51:49 PM PST by r9etb
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To: robertpaulsen
He's a jerk who let down these kids.

Since when did he let down the kids? He made a decision he considered in their best interest, and got fired for it. They had the choice to play under a new coach, but according to the article all refused.

Certainly the coach bears full responsibility for what happened.

Because of his position, the coach had the right to make the decision he did, but the commissioner seems to have been within his rights to fire him for it. Sounds fair enough. It's also fair that the commissioner will now be despised by many families in his community (and, with this a national story, by many people across the country), as he well deserves to be.

142 posted on 11/04/2006 3:00:07 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: robertpaulsen

Whether or not one was broken, it would be fitting for any with the power to do so to fire the commissioner for his shameful behavior. Surely you would not oppose this, would you?


143 posted on 11/04/2006 3:04:05 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: MissEdie

My kids aren't at the U13 level yet...so I'm sure I have a lot to forward to...unfortunately.


144 posted on 11/04/2006 5:52:45 PM PST by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: beezdotcom
Comparing someone to a Nazi is needless in most cases.

Where did I compare anyone to a Nazi? I simply provided a case to demonstrate that absolutes are invalid as arguments, as they are never, in fact, absolutes. Not even he provided a logical or reasoned argument to rebut the point...

145 posted on 11/04/2006 7:38:22 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: robertpaulsen

Uh-oh...Paulsen's off his meds again...

CA....


146 posted on 11/04/2006 7:46:31 PM PST by Chances Are (Whew! It seems I've once again found that silly grin!)
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To: robertpaulsen
I see our resident defender of jerks the world over has checked in.

Birds of a feather and all that.

BTW can you post a rule manual for this league which states that the Commissioner has veto power over starting lineups?

Thanks in advance.

L

147 posted on 11/04/2006 7:50:34 PM PST by Lurker (“A liberal thinks they can sleep in, and someone will cover their lame ass.” Ted Nugent)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Standard troll behavior: find a position sure to fire up the posters, use a logical fallacy to argue that position, and sit back and enjoy.
The problem is that, so long as you accept the premise of the logical fallacy (which is the either-or fallacy in this case, with a dollop of oversimplification thrown in for flavor) you have fed the troll. For example, would you agree that kids should be taught to respect the law?

O.K., the government of Germany passes a law that says you have to turn in for execution every Jew you know. Are you going to teach your children not to obey the law?


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"Comparing someone to a Nazi is needless in most cases."


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Where did I compare anyone to a Nazi?

I simply provided a case to demonstrate that absolutes are invalid as arguments, as they are never, in fact, absolutes. Not even he provided a logical or reasoned argument to rebut the point...


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Well made point, Ronin, -- one made by the US Military to all servicemen since Nuremberg..

The government of ~wherever~ does not have the power to pass a 'law' that says you have to turn in for execution every Jew you know. -- NO one is obligated to obey or even to cooperate with abusers of power.

The repugnant concept that the "golden rule is made by those with the gold" says it all.
148 posted on 11/04/2006 9:45:07 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
Where did I compare anyone to a Nazi?

Dude, I'm on your side.
149 posted on 11/04/2006 10:03:02 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: Young Scholar
"Since when did he let down the kids?"

You're right. Let's just say he put the kids in the position of having to choose between a new coach or foregoing the championships.

"He made a decision he considered in their best interest, and got fired for it."

Yes. Odd that he waited the entire season to do so, don't you think?

150 posted on 11/05/2006 3:48:27 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Young Scholar
"Whether or not one was broken, it would be fitting for any with the power to do so to fire the commissioner for his shameful behavior. Surely you would not oppose this, would you?"

Was he hired? According to the article, it sounds as though he was self-appointed (or annointed).

Sure, if there are those in power who believe he exceeded his authority, then fire him. And you wouldn't then blame him if he takes his sponsorship money with him, would you?

151 posted on 11/05/2006 3:58:35 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: StAnDeliver
"Hey Bobby, rules are a bitch, aren't they?"

You're preachin' to the choir, StAnLey. I'm a believer in rules and contracts. I thought that was obvious.

Which of the rules you cited were violated by the commissioner such that he should be fired for breaking them?

152 posted on 11/05/2006 4:03:28 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Lurker
"BTW can you post a rule manual for this league which states that the Commissioner has veto power over starting lineups?"

Got one that says he can't?

153 posted on 11/05/2006 4:04:47 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
"I want my child to understand when rules should be broken (i.e., when they are invalid or unjust), not make them slavish followers of rules or total anarchists."

And I want my child to understand that if they believe the rules to be invalid or unjust, they should work to change those rules.

The point you're missing (or ignoring) is that the coaches accepted the commissioner's conditions. They coached the entire season under those conditions. Then they violated those conditions in the final game and were fired for it.

It's disingenuous of you to compare that to the Nazi's enforcing behavior under penalty of death or an employer extorting sex from an employee.

You believe the end justifies the means, and that's what you're teaching your children. Well, I don't. There will always be those who disagree with the rules -- they're not necessarily right and they don't get a pass just because they disagree.

154 posted on 11/05/2006 4:22:48 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"Loophole"? "Technically"?
I suppose if the commissioner emailed the refs and "commanded" them not to call holding, or a face-mask penalty, or roughing the passer, etc. against his son that would also be considered a league rule by you as well? What are you smoking, man? That email was TOTALLY inappropriate. Period!
155 posted on 11/05/2006 5:46:36 AM PST by libertylover (If it's good and decent, you can be sure the Democrat Party leaders are against it.)
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To: libertylover
"That email was TOTALLY inappropriate. Period!"

Not only inappropriate, but rude, condescending, and manipulative. After receiving it, the coaches should have replied that they would not honor it.

But they didn't, and that's the point I'm trying to make here. The abided by that e-mail the entire season, violating it only in the last game for which they were fired.

Now, what point are YOU trying to make?

156 posted on 11/05/2006 6:37:21 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: beezdotcom

My bad. Sorry.


157 posted on 11/05/2006 7:00:49 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: robertpaulsen
...the coaches accepted the commissioner's conditions...

And what you are ignoring is that you cannot "accept" invalid conditions. An employer who listed your duties on the day you were hired as "typing, filing, sex, and doing my laundry" cannot then hold you to having sex if you do the filing and typing for the first few weeks (please try arguing that one in court!). Attaching invalid (i.e. commands outside of the authority of the hirer) requirements to valid ones does not somehow magically make the invalid ones valid.

The commisioner may have the power to hire and fire, but I've seen no indications that his formal power includes making playing decisions. That is a power traditionally reserved for coaches. The fact that he might misuse his power to fire a coach that didn't do what he wanted doesn't suddenly give him coaches' power. Try taking a local crack dealer to court because he didn't deliver the quantity he promised to you. Invalid contracts cannot be made valid simply because you adhere to some of the conditions (that's black letter law... and common sense).

Better luck next time...

158 posted on 11/05/2006 7:14:34 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: robertpaulsen
After receiving it, the coaches should have replied that they would not honor it.

They did. Hence:

"There was a phone call with Hinkle after that initial e-mail, and I thought we had an understanding on how we were going to coach the kids," said the fired assistant coach, Bill Burnham.

The fact that the kid may have helped them most on defense in earlier games does not signal acceptance of the conditions. Acceptance requires formal recognition of the conditions. Show me where they did that. They did the exact opposite...

159 posted on 11/05/2006 7:18:49 AM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwæt! Lãr biþ mæst hord, soþlïce!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)
My bad. Sorry.

Eh, don't worry...sometimes my tongue is planted FAR too deeply in cheek...
160 posted on 11/05/2006 7:20:53 AM PST by beezdotcom
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