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'Huckleberry Finn' pulled from classes after parent complains
The Lansing State Journal ^ | November 3, 2006 | AP

Posted on 11/03/2006 6:54:37 PM PST by Stoat

'Huckleberry Finn' pulled from classes after parent complains

Associated Press

 

TAYLOR - Mark Twain's classic "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn" has been pulled from high school classes after a parent of a black student complained that a teacher had students read portions aloud.

There is only one black child in the English class where the book, which contains racial slurs, was read aloud and acted out, The Detroit News reported Thursday.

The book will remain on the shelves at Taylor School District's high schools. The district's curriculum committee will recommend to the school board whether the book should have a future in district classrooms.

"We want to be sensitive to how the children feel," said Lynette Sutton, assistant superintendent for secondary instruction.

The 1880s novel about a white boy's first-person account of his adventures along the Mississippi River with a runaway slave named Jim has long been controversial because of its use of racial slurs and its representations of blacks and women.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
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To: Chena
I have a feeling you have not read the book, or perhaps you read it so long ago that you have forgotten the story but latched onto racial slurs.

The most perceptive post I've read on this thread.
You're right.

I read the book many years ago...and I liked it. But I do remember racial slurs.

101 posted on 11/03/2006 9:36:30 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Rembrandt_fan
You wrote, "I'll tell you what my argument is."

Followed by an expanse of beautiful blank space. A kind of mirror of your mind, I guess.

Surely you can do better than this.

The only blank here is your lack of comprehension of my argument, and your obvious inability to articulate a comprehensive response to ANYTHING I've posted.

What's wrong with you?
You haven't addressed a single thing I've said.

Now you're resorting to these infantile insults?
Give me a break.

102 posted on 11/03/2006 9:42:22 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Chena

confirms my belief that the best school in the world for our children is home-school.

###

I agree, but if we return to a capitalistic system those who don't want to home school could chose a school that they think is best for their children.


103 posted on 11/03/2006 9:43:48 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Jorge
Since when does a well "rounded education" need to include racial slurs?

Since any understanding of civilization, culture, and society depends on understanding the history that lead to it. It's like asking why "The Red Badge of Courage" has to have all that icky bloodshed in it.

The whole point of "Huckleberry Finn" is that Huck stops seeing Jim as a lowly "nigger" and realizes that he is his best friend and the best human he knows. Huck overcomes the matrix of the society around him.

104 posted on 11/03/2006 9:44:47 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Jorge
The most perceptive post I've read on this thread. You're right. I read the book many years ago...and I liked it. But I do remember racial slurs.

Alrighty then. I read the book years ago too, but the difference between you and I is that I don't remember the racial slurs. I remember the beautiful story, and I took away from it valuable lessons that are still with me today. I don't know what it was in your life that caused you to only remember a few words (racial slurs) rather than the wonderful, heartwarming story that it was. Perhaps that's something you could think about.

Children are not that fragile. If I was the parent of the child referred to in this thread, I would have gotten involved in reading the story with my child. I would have let them know the history of the writer, the times they lived in, and how beautiful the story was....and how it may have changed so many people's perceptions in a good way.

Sheltering our children from history isn't in their best interest, IMHO.

105 posted on 11/03/2006 9:45:28 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Jorge

I scanned your posting history, Jorge, since you so politely recommended that I do so. Nice to know that you don't treat me differently from the way you treat everyone else on this forum. I bet you're a hoot at parties.

My advice? Follow the prescription directions on the bottle. It's for your own good.


106 posted on 11/03/2006 9:45:40 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Blackirish
Jorge "Right! We must make our children read books with racial slurs, so they know NOT to use racial slurs! Are you kidding?"

That's exactly right Einstein. 1st valid point you've made all night. A little advise if you are ignorant on a topic shut up. And if your digging yourself into a ditch stop digging.

LOL!
Your post get first prize!

You actually believe that children should read racial slurs in order to teach them not to make racial slurs.

Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?

107 posted on 11/03/2006 9:46:53 PM PST by Jorge
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To: LexBaird
The whole point of "Huckleberry Finn" is that Huck stops seeing Jim as a lowly "nigger" and realizes that he is his best friend and the best human he knows.

How beautiful. I think I'm gonna cry.

108 posted on 11/03/2006 9:50:02 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Stoat

Scarlet Letter used to be required reading. Sort of quaint now, I suppose.


109 posted on 11/03/2006 9:51:11 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Jorge

You wrote, "Your post get first prize!"

All your base are belong to us.

(snicker, chortle)


110 posted on 11/03/2006 9:54:44 PM PST by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Jorge
You actually believe that children should read racial slurs in order to teach them not to make racial slurs.

Yes. But only in the right context. Huck Finn is such a context. Gangsta Rap isn't.

111 posted on 11/03/2006 9:55:18 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: LAMBERT LATHAM

Want to comment?


112 posted on 11/03/2006 9:56:04 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Chena
but the difference between you and I is that I don't remember the racial slurs.

So, my memory is better than yours.

I don't know what it was in your life that caused you to only remember a few words (racial slurs) rather than the wonderful, heartwarming story that it was. Perhaps that's something you could think about.

Who told you I "only remember a few words (racial slurs)"?

I never said that.

In fact I said I liked the book.

So instead of inventing scenarios in which you envision yourself as somehow personally superior in this debate, perhaps you might try to address the issue being debated?

113 posted on 11/03/2006 9:57:20 PM PST by Jorge
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To: P.O.E.
Scarlet Letter used to be required reading. Sort of quaint now, I suppose.

I have no doubt that there are those who would be unable and / or unwilling to consider the context of the words in that work just as there are those who are unable / incapable of viewing Huckleberry Finn in it's holistic and historical context now.

114 posted on 11/03/2006 9:59:29 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

It's a bit of cultural arrogance (as well as political grandstanding) to impose our current worldview on the past.


115 posted on 11/03/2006 10:03:32 PM PST by P.O.E.
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To: Jorge

No, your memory isn't necessarily better than mine. Apparently my memory holds more content, comprehension and intelligent, and yours holds only racial slurs. LOL

As for the "issue being debated", I think you lost track of the issue somewhere between your first post on this thread and your last.


116 posted on 11/03/2006 10:03:36 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Chena

intelligent=intelligence


117 posted on 11/03/2006 10:04:30 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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To: Rembrandt_fan
I scanned your posting history, Jorge, since you so politely recommended that I do so.

I'm flattered.

Even I'm not impressed enough with myself to scan my own posting history.

And I'm SURE not interested enough in YOU to scan yours.

Nice to know that you don't treat me differently from the way you treat everyone else on this forum.

What's wrong with the way I've treated you?

118 posted on 11/03/2006 10:05:57 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge
How beautiful. I think I'm gonna cry.

Go ahead. It's the PC metrosexual thing to do. Just like bowlderizing the classics is.

119 posted on 11/03/2006 10:08:35 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Jorge

Jorge, you might want to backtrack and read your own words....or eat them...whichever helps you get the meds down.

Jorge's posts:

You're joking right?

The fact is, if there are racial slurs, it doesn't belong in a public school.

This "parent" is right and you are wrong. Period.


70 posted on 11/03/2006 7:25:14 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Read the book, Jorge. For the love of God, just read the book.
Instead of handing out reading assignments, why don't you save us both time and just address the issues raised in the article?

Twain's novel one of the most insightful, beautifully rendered allegories on the nature of friendship, justice, and racial equality ever written. The kind of blind, rubber-stamping censorship you advocate flies in the face of reason and all we know about the power of great literature.

This is all very nice, but I'm still waiting for you to explain why black children in school should have to read books with racial slurs as part of their education?


80 posted on 11/03/2006 7:48:20 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Chena
Teaching children about literature, past and present, is an important part of their rounded education. Huckleberry Finn is not a HATE novel.
Who said it was a "HATE novel"?

That's not the point.

Since when does a well "rounded education" need to include racial slurs?


81 posted on 11/03/2006 7:54:19 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: VeniVidiVici
"Since when does a well "rounded education" need to include racial slurs?"
I agree. We should bury them like the Confederate flag! Hell, let's bury that entire sad period of US History! Nobody has any reason to study it!

And the rich history of KKK literature, Hitler or perhaps Nation of Islam writings on hatred of whites and Jews...it's HISTORY!!

Make the children read it!


84 posted on 11/03/2006 8:10:10 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Chena
Those who do not know history, either through literature and/or historical books, are bound to repeat it. Ignorance is NOT bliss. Ignorance breeds contempt, repetition of wrongs, and no hope for the future.
Right! We must make our children read books with racial slurs, so they know NOT to use racial slurs!

Are you kidding?


89 posted on 11/03/2006 8:17:33 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Rembrandt_fan
The argument you're making parses out like this:
Anybody who wants to know my REAL position can read my posts.

Don't waste your time trying to assign me positions you feel most comfortable arguing against.

I'll tell you what my argument is.


91 posted on 11/03/2006 8:23:51 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Rembrandt_fan
Again, Jorge, read the book. You're arguing from a vacuum.
Actually I've read the book.

The only vacuum here is your inability to address the issues raised in the article.

You're proposing dropping one of the greatest novels of American literature down the memory hole because you and others are seemingly incapable of understanding context or allegory.

What are you talking about?

Who proposed dropping any "American literature down the memory hole"?

You talk about "others" being "incapable of understanding context or allegory" when you can't even read a simple post.

When are you going to respond to something I actually say on this topic?


99 posted on 11/03/2006 8:33:02 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Chena
I have a feeling you have not read the book, or perhaps you read it so long ago that you have forgotten the story but latched onto racial slurs.
The most perceptive post I've read on this thread.
You're right.

I read the book many years ago...and I liked it. But I do remember racial slurs.


101 posted on 11/03/2006 8:36:30 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Rembrandt_fan
You wrote, "I'll tell you what my argument is."
Followed by an expanse of beautiful blank space. A kind of mirror of your mind, I guess.

Surely you can do better than this.

The only blank here is your lack of comprehension of my argument, and your obvious inability to articulate a comprehensive response to ANYTHING I've posted.

What's wrong with you?
You haven't addressed a single thing I've said.

Now you're resorting to these infantile insults?
Give me a break.


102 posted on 11/03/2006 8:42:22 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Blackirish
Jorge "Right! We must make our children read books with racial slurs, so they know NOT to use racial slurs! Are you kidding?"
That's exactly right Einstein. 1st valid point you've made all night. A little advise if you are ignorant on a topic shut up. And if your digging yourself into a ditch stop digging.

LOL!
Your post get first prize!

You actually believe that children should read racial slurs in order to teach them not to make racial slurs.

Are you trying to make me laugh on purpose or what?


107 posted on 11/03/2006 8:46:53 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: LexBaird
The whole point of "Huckleberry Finn" is that Huck stops seeing Jim as a lowly "nigger" and realizes that he is his best friend and the best human he knows.
How beautiful. I think I'm gonna cry.


108 posted on 11/03/2006 8:50:02 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Chena
but the difference between you and I is that I don't remember the racial slurs.
So, my memory is better than yours.

I don't know what it was in your life that caused you to only remember a few words (racial slurs) rather than the wonderful, heartwarming story that it was. Perhaps that's something you could think about.

Who told you I "only remember a few words (racial slurs)"?

I never said that.

In fact I said I liked the book.

So instead of inventing scenarios in which you envision yourself as somehow personally superior in this debate, perhaps you might try to address the issue being debated?


113 posted on 11/03/2006 8:57:20 PM AKST by Jorge
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To: Rembrandt_fan
I scanned your posting history, Jorge, since you so politely recommended that I do so.
I'm flattered.

Even I'm not impressed enough with myself to scan my own posting history.

And I'm SURE not interested enough in YOU to scan yours.

Nice to know that you don't treat me differently from the way you treat everyone else on this forum.

What's wrong with the way I've treated you?


118 posted on 11/03/2006 9:05:57 PM AKST by Jorge
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120 posted on 11/03/2006 10:08:45 PM PST by Chena ("I'm not young enough to know everything." (Oscar Wilde))
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