Posted on 11/02/2006 12:04:40 PM PST by neverdem
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Richmond ping.
Perhaps a little perspective is in order:
http://www.nationalreview.com/owens/owens200602130816.asp
Yah, it sure does cast some revelatory light. If Webb copped it, he's a plagiarist, big time. If he copped it but "forgot" or neglected to acknowledge the true author, he's not a very good writer- certainly not careful and not the kind of person you want poring over treaties and resolutions with their fine print, sub-clauses, and double-negative wording.
I want to know who the publisher is: what's their excuse?
I don't see it. It's not sufficiently similar to be called plagiarism, IMO.
Not plagiarism. Novelists use non-fiction history to flesh out their novels, giving them verisimilitude. Restating some history from a non-fiction book isn't plagiarism.
Plagiarism is direct copying of text, not using facts in a non-fiction book to keep your book of fiction historical.
There are many reasons to trash Webb. Plagiarism isn't one of them, as far as I can tell from these examples.
Well, my, my, my.
Paging Doris Kearns Goodwin!!
As an aside, I'll bet there are many authors these days who are sweating the advent of these computer-assisted plagarism search tools.
I disagree.
Larry Sabato reviewed 17 passages and said they were definitely lifted.
Some other explanations? Like a visit to the mothership where the other guy's words were indelibly tatooed onto his brain?
Well, that's our Larry.
Disagree. You can use facts from non-fiction all you want, but you cannot use the other guy's words setting out those facts as your own words.
That's what Webb did here.
I can't see that there's a different standard for plagarism for fiction or non-fiction. The point is you can't lift other people's words.
That is not correct. Webb should have been familiar with this statement:
The United States Naval Academy Statement on PlagiarismPlagiarism is dishonorable. It involves using the words, information, insights, or ideas of another without crediting that person through proper citation. Since authorship is ownership, using the intellectual property of others without credit is theft. Passing off another persons work as your own is lying. You can avoid plagiarism by fully and openly crediting all sources used.
If nothing else, this is worthy of further scrutiny.
Of course The Washington Post is writing another macaca story...
I agree. Historical facts are what they are and restating them is not plagiarism.
If Webb wrote an academic book the standard for attribution would be quite different, but no one expects that the author of a thriller has done research from original Japanese language sources.
This is ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY PLAGIARISM.
If Webb were an academic, he'd be in a heap of trouble.
Um, he taught at the naval academy. He really ought to know what is plagiarism and what isn't. He has no excuse.
It didn't hurt Joe Biden did it?
If it wasn't committed by a Republican it doesn't matter, get it?
Right on the money. And it's not like he was teaching physics. HE TAUGHT ENGLISH! There are few subjects where the professor should have a better grasp of the concept.
He has no excuse.
Of course he does. As Kenny points out, he has divine right of Democrats.
Those who are unfamiliar with academic standards on this topic might want to read the legal opinion regarding Ward Churchill's plagiarism. That was also a situation where the lifting of the words was not verbatim.
http://www.pirateballerina.com/files/churchillplagiarism.pdf
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