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To: Criminal Number 18F
The blast was not a missile because a missile cannot destroy a plane without leaving a mark. It was not a bomb because high-explosive leaves unmistakeable traces on metal that aren't erased by a subsequent crash and fire. These traces are clear as day on metal recovered from PA103. There are no such traces on metal recovered from TWA800. Bombs and missiles cannot destroy aircraft without leaving physical evidence.

Red residue was found on seats transversing the cabin right at the location of the decapitation of TWA-800:


Seats with red residue in rows 17 through 19..

The NTSB explained the residue away with some sleight of hand.

"On page 9 of the NTSB Fire & Explosions Factual Report appears the following statement.

Selected seat back panels in rows 17, 19, 24, and 27 were damaged, exposing a brown to reddish brown colored material. This material was analyzed by infrared spectroscopy. Analysis showed the material to be consistent with a polychloroprene 3M Scotch-Grip 1357 High Performance contact adhesive. The report is attached in Appendix III-Tests and Analysis."

But is the red residue really consistent with 3M 1357 Adhesive?

THE TESTS ON RED RESIDUE, SEAT GLUE, AND SEAT MATERIAL.

SEAT RESIDUE TEST RESULTS

TEST ONE RESULTS from samples of the red residue visible on 15 seats of the reconstructed TWA 800 in Calverton Hangar. The test was performed at Santa Fe Lab in California at the request of James Sanders.

TEST TWO RESULTS for polychloroprene 3M Scotch-Grip 1357 High Performance contact adhesive from an UNSOAKED sample provided by 3M, performed by Coffey Labs, Portland Oregon. FBI and NTSB claimed that the "red residue" on the seats was the 3M 1357 Adhesive either in native form or after soaking in sea water. 3M 1357 Adhesive is normally green in color.

TEST THREE RESULTS From fabric samples taken from a 747-200 sister ship to TWA 800 soaked for 22 days in water taken from the Atlantic Ocean. Tests were performed under the direction of PhD candidate/researcher Thomas Stalcup.

 ELEMENT  TEST ONE  TEST TWO  TEST THREE
 Magnesium  18%  2.5%  .007%
 Silicon  15%  .0005%  .0004%
 Calcium  12%  .0020%  .0011%
 Zinc  3.6 %  .043%  .0002%
 Iron  3.1%  .0041%  .001%
 Aluminum  2.8%  .0065%  .0018%
 Lead  2.4%  NONE  NONE
 Titanium  1.7%  .00012%  .0002%
 Antimony  .53%  NONE  NONE
 Nickel  .38%  NONE  NONE
 Manganese  .21%  NONE  NONE
 Boron  .081%  .0016%  .001%
 Copper  .053%  NONE  NONE
 Silver  .032%  NONE  NONE
 Chromium  .032%  NONE  NONE

  The test results, revealing [in the red residue] a mixture of metals consistant with materials found in military missiles, was then published in the Riverside [CA] Press-Enterprise and in James Sanders' book.

Source

41 posted on 11/01/2006 9:08:51 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker
Your source is a website run by Michael Rivero, banned from FR after insisting that the WTC was brought down by Bush and the Jews -- immediately afterward. You can believe Rivero if you want. The ultimate source of the "red residue" claim was James "felonious stewardess" Sanders, who arranged to steal wreckage and have it tested in support of his antigovernment theories. he was convicted and is now and for all time a felon.

But I won't just bash your theory for the authors of same -- that's an ad hominem attack. I just want to make sure everyone in this thread knows that the conspiracy tools include plenty of people boiling with hate and racism (Rivero) and with gutter morals (Sanders).

So I'll address your "red residue" directly. It was... bottom sediment. Here is the relevant excerpt from the alt.disasters.aviation FAQ.

  2.1.5) What was that "red residue?" Should I believe the Sanders sample results?

Contributed by Dr. George O. Bizzigotti

     Author James Sanders has made a significant argument based on a red
     residue found on certain seat cushions in the TWA wreckage. Sanders
     clandestinely obtained a sample of that residue, and submitted it for
     elemental analysis. The composition of the residue was reported as
     follows:

     Magnesium         18%
     Silicon                15%
     Calcium              12%
     Zinc                    3.6%
     Iron                    3.1%
     Aluminum           2.8%
     Lead                  2.4%
     Titanium             1.7%
     Antimony           0.53%
     Nickel               0.38%
     Manganese        0.21%
     Boron                0.081%
     Copper              0.053%
     Silver                 0.032
     Chromium          0.032%

     Sanders asserted that this analysis is consistent with solid rocket
     fuel; his assertion is supported primarily by quotes from an
     anonymous "retired Hughes Missiles engineer and propellants
     specialist." However, there is abundant technical literature that
     indicates that solid rocket fuels fall into two general categories:
     nitrocellulose-based fuels and composite fuels containing aluminum,
     ammonium perchlorate, and a polymeric binder, typically butadiene or
     polysulfide rubber. Sanders arguments concern composite fuels, so
     I'll concentrate on that. Kirk-Othmer's Encyclopedia of Chemical
     Technology (4th ed., Vol 10, p. 72) indicates that composite rocket
     fuel is typically 70 percent ammonium perchlorate, 18 percent
     aluminum, and 12 percent polymeric binder; if the binder is
     polybutadiene, one would expect the fuel to have a composition of
     18.00% aluminum, 10.66% carbon, 3.74% hydrogen, 21.12% chlorine,
     8.35% nitrogen, and 38.13% oxygen. Other compositions are possible, but
     none come any closer to matching Sanders' result. Sanders results account
     for 63% of the elemental composition, so any carbon, hydrogen, chlorine,
     nitrogen, and oxygen can account for no more than 37% of his material
     versus the 82% expected based on the technical literature's
     composition. The aluminum value is lower than expected by a factor of
     six. Clearly, the measured composition does not match (typical
     criteria are measured = expected plus or minus 0.4%) the expected
     composition.

     I begin as a skeptic because Sanders source is a "retired Hughes
     Missiles engineer and propellants specialist." Hughes doesn't make
     rocket motors; they buy them from subcontractors (e.g., Aerojet,
     Alliant Techsystems, Morton Thiokol) that formulate the propellant.
     This is roughly equivalent to "a retired Delta Airlines aircraft
     designer" giving an opinion on the composition of materials in the
     777; its not completely ridiculous, but one might be quicker to
     accept at face value if he or she had worked for Boeing. The
     anonymous source argues away most of the discrepancies, but on
     closer inspection, he or she is wrong on several counts. Magnesium
     (at 18 percent in the sample) has been used experimentally as an
     igniter or to increase combustion temperatures, but in much smaller
     proportions. The silicon (at 15 percent) is described as a "possible
     binder component."

     However, no one has ever reported using a silicone rubber binder in a
     rocket propellant, probably because silicone does not provide
     sufficient energy when burned (much of the energy in solid rocket
     propellants come from the organic rubber binder). Sanders also
     asserts that calcium (at 12 percent) is used as a "heat or shock
     sensitive explosive." That's a curious assertion; calcium nitrate
     might be found in small amounts in some explosives, but it is not
     found in rocket propellant. Rocket propellants are designed
     specifically not to be sensitive explosives; they burn rather than
     detonate (implied by the term "sensitive"). The silicon and calcium
     are telling; they make up 27 percent of the sample by weight, but
     they are not used in anywhere near those proportions in any rocket
     propellant reported in the technical literature. Neither Sanders nor
     any of the proponents of the missile theory have been able to explain
     convincingly how these high levels of silicon and calcium could be
     found in rocket propellant.

     So what could the residue be? I would note that seafloor sediments in
     general are high in elements such as magnesium, calcium, silicon,
     zinc, iron, and aluminum, with smaller amounts of many other metallic
     elements. The exact values found in a sample are variable, i.e.,
     samples taken from within feet of one another will vary by + or - 25
     percent (which is why analyzing a control sample from the crash site
     would not be terribly useful), but the general pattern has been
     observed in many different samples (I've personally seen this pattern
     in hundreds of samples over more than a decade). What I (and others)
     have pointed out is that the Sanders result matches that general
     pattern pretty well. The argument actually was never intended to
     "prove" that the residue is sediment, but it rationalizes how a piece
     of cloth that sat on the sea floor for several weeks could produce
     the observed analysis. Nonetheless, the key factor for Sanders'
     credibility is not whether or not he might have analyzed sediment, it
     is whether the result is consistent with any known rocket propellant.
     Sanders and others simply assert that the elements found in the
     sample are typical of rocket fuel.

     Sanders credibility is also affected because he did the wrong test.
     There are other tests, most notably infrared spectroscopy, that allow
     the nondestructive, conclusive identification of materials. In
     contrast, Sanders elected to do a destructive test that can never
     conclusively prove the identity of the material, i.e., one could
     prepare a mixture of totally innocuous materials that would have the
     identical elemental composition. A demonstrably poor choice of
     analytical procedure and an unsupportable explanation for the amounts
     of the elements present are what discredit Sanders' lab analysis.
     That the sample, which sat on the sea floor, matches reasonably well
     with what one would expect for sediment is suggestive, but it is not
     necessary to discredit Sanders' argument.

Sorry for the long excerpt, all. But I thought it best to give it verbatim.

To recap: Sanders stole the material, had the wrong tests done on it, then makes false assertions about what the material is based on an anonymous source known only to him. Swordmaker's message to us is, "trust Sanders" (via Rivero), and Sanders's message is, "trust me." That's the evidence; what do you think the jury will say? (We know what the jury did say about bottom-sand-man Sanders, who tried to raise this in his criminal trial: "Guilty!" [Actually, I think he pled guilty, so a jury never saw him -- it was many years ago -- but a guilty plea would show how he judges his own credibility, yes?)

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

56 posted on 11/02/2006 7:56:40 AM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Build more lampposts... we've got plenty of traitors.)
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