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GOD & ME
nro ^ | Oct 30, 2006 | Derbyshire

Posted on 11/01/2006 1:14:53 PM PST by cornelis

Edited on 11/01/2006 1:21:05 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]

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To: cornelis

I read NRO just about every day and visit The Corner usually several times a day. Of all the contributors there Mr. Derbyshire is my least favorite. I rarely read him at all anymore. He seems to have a very high opinion of himself and I am at a loss to discover why.


21 posted on 11/01/2006 1:59:01 PM PST by scory
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To: cornelis
Anyone interested in this post should read this...


22 posted on 11/01/2006 1:59:48 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Old Professer
While brevity may be the soul of wit, wordy is the corpse of sincerity.

Nice.

Brevity is the abortion of thought, words are the stream of the soul.

23 posted on 11/01/2006 2:06:15 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis
"Brevity is the abortion of thought, words are the stream of the soul."

Have you ever read any of Justine Raimondo's pieces?

24 posted on 11/01/2006 2:08:04 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: Torie; cornelis
You might be interested in the Baylor survey he mentions. It's been mentioned everywhere from The Economist to USA Today and Time. A pdf is here. There's a quick run-through here.

The study divides Americans' beliefs about God into four categories (five if you count the 5% or so dogmatic atheists or convinced agnostics). According to the Baylor survey, the four "Gods" Americans believe in are: the Authoritarian God, the Benevolent God, the Critical God and the Distant God. Yes, "authoritarian" is a word that most often gets taken to mean bad, but in this case, it may be hard to come up with an alternative. Maybe "authoritative" or "paternal" or "stern" would fit.

It's an interesting thesis. On some political issues, "which God" one believes in doesn't have much of an effect, at least in so far as the big "the environment should be protected, yes or no" questions. On other issues it looks as though the believers in the Critical or Distant God (where I've sort of found myself lately) tend to be more liberal than believers in the "Authoritarian God" or even the Benevolent God. That troubles me a little.

As for Derbyshire, I think he tells us way too much about himself. It's hard not to lose some respect him at this point.

25 posted on 11/01/2006 2:08:46 PM PST by x
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To: cornelis

You can't very well argue with him. He has lost his faith, knows it, and thinks it's a good thing. I'd say it's a bad thing, but that's not going to persuade him.

Rather sad. I too was brought up as an Anglican--technically an Episcopalian, but I always thought of it as High Anglican. It was, for me, not enough, but it gave me the basics of religion and pointed me toward my conversion to Catholicism in college. Otherwise, if I had stayed Anglican, I suspect that the sad developments in that Church would have probably dissillusioned me much like Derbyshire.

I will always be grateful for what the Episcopal Church and some of my fellow Episcopalians gave me, while I was growing up. Unlike Derbyshire, I got none of this from my parents, who were agnostic and non-church going. But if not for the Catholic Church, I probably would have gone the same way Derbyshire did.

I hope he reconsiders and learns better. He will find that fake graces won't fool his children for long.


26 posted on 11/01/2006 2:09:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: scory
I've rarely met a blogger who doesn't have an inordinately high opinion of their own ruminations. Their blogging becomes the core of their identity.

Actually I'm convinced that we all have attention deficit disorder. Maybe bloggers more so than others.

27 posted on 11/01/2006 2:11:39 PM PST by cornelis
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To: CWOJackson

Just perused them a bit back when he used to link here at FR.


28 posted on 11/01/2006 2:13:28 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

The river to his soul was very wide and extremely shallow. I've never seen someone who could use so many words just to say, "I am angry and hate America".


29 posted on 11/01/2006 2:23:25 PM PST by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
Yes, verbosity is a problem. Kant had it bad. But sheer quantity is attractive nowadays, so there is some rhetorical advantage there. Most news is verbose.

But I've observed often enough that silence is the sign of ignorance and that mature knowledge has a hard time shutting up.

30 posted on 11/01/2006 2:30:06 PM PST by cornelis
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To: cornelis

Good point. I know I bounce all over the net just about every day.

What were we talking about........?????


31 posted on 11/01/2006 2:32:27 PM PST by scory
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To: cornelis
So which human being was made in God’s image: the one of 100,000 years ago? 10,000 years ago? 1,000 years ago? The one of today? The species that will descend from us? All of those future post-human species, or just some of them? And so on. The genomes are all different. They are not the same creature. And if they are all made in God’s image somehow, then presumably so are all the other species, and there’s nothing special about us at all.

Since Biology was one of the big things that caused the loss of faith, perhaps you should know that biology does not disprove a human being is made in the image of God.

The image of God is a spiritual image. Upon death, we become something entirely different yet again, a being without the biology of flesh that some scientists use to disprove the Creation.

32 posted on 11/01/2006 2:32:39 PM PST by Last Laugh
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To: cornelis

I read it, and I am sorry, but I have no idea who this guy is either like another poster. I am sorry he feels this way about Christ, but this does not make him unique in the world we live in.


33 posted on 11/01/2006 2:33:20 PM PST by ladyinred (RIP my precious Lamb Chop)
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To: cornelis

I always liked Derbyshire, but the last two pieces of his, this is one of them, I have found completely depressing. He just seems to have turned into a grumpy old coot. I don't know if I'll read his stuff any more.


34 posted on 11/01/2006 2:35:31 PM PST by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: cornelis
Q. Are you a Christian?

A. No. I take the minimal definition of a Christian to be a person who is sure that Jesus of Nazareth was divine, or part-divine, and that the Resurrection was a real event. I don’t believe either of those things.

She should feel right at home in the Episcopal church

Church Head Doubts Jesus is Only Way

Associated Press

November 1, 2006

CBNNews.com - NEW YORK (AP) - The woman who'll be installed this weekend as the first female presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church doesn't consider Jesus Christ the only way to God.

In an Associated Press interview, Bishop Katharine Jefferts-Schori said, "If we insist that we know the one way to God, we've put God in a very small box."

The Bible declares that "in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."

But Jefferts-Schori says she doesn't believe that "one person can have the fullness of truth in him or herself." http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/49727.aspx

35 posted on 11/01/2006 2:36:32 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: GOP Poet
So. Who is this dude and why should I care about his blather about God?

Just another evolution convert.

Only a fool says in his heart, there is no God.

36 posted on 11/01/2006 2:42:48 PM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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To: jocon307

Yes, he is cynical, and my guess is that he has a bad case of ennui. That's lamentable, I think, even tragic.


37 posted on 11/01/2006 2:44:03 PM PST by cornelis
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To: ladyinred
this does not make him unique

Good point, it would make him representative.

38 posted on 11/01/2006 2:46:35 PM PST by cornelis
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To: x

Thanks, x, for the links. I think the two fundamental questions that drive politics are Who am I? and Who is God? (Hat tip: Leo Strauss). Surveys that count the spirits are, I think, evidence of a strange duel between God and Man.


39 posted on 11/01/2006 2:49:22 PM PST by cornelis
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To: x; jwalsh07
I think he tells us way too much about himself. It's hard not to lose some respect him at this point.

I am interested as to why you have that sensibility. I found his essay thoughtful and candid, warts and all. I am not quite on his page (particularly about religion in the public square and his ignoring the tremendous changes that have occurred in Catholicism, and among Catholics, with and since Vatican II - yes the Church really did comes to terms with democracy, liberty and individual conscience IMO), but not far from it.

40 posted on 11/01/2006 3:01:30 PM PST by Torie
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