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1 posted on 10/31/2006 1:12:07 PM PST by presidio9
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I think we need to keep it where it is. People will know exactly where they are and what was going on there on 9-11.


2 posted on 10/31/2006 1:15:06 PM PST by Silly
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IIRC, 14 of the 16 survivors where on that staircase. They were held up because they stopped to help an elderly secretary and thus in the right place at the right time to survive.


8 posted on 10/31/2006 1:52:33 PM PST by DrewsDad (...then I understood their final destiny -- Psalm 73:17b)
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IMHO they should have kept the steel lattice that was standing after the attack.
It would have been a terrific centerpiece for a memorial.


9 posted on 10/31/2006 1:57:14 PM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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From a CNN Transcript


CNN's Brian Palmer talks to one of the firefighters who was in one of the twin towers as it fell.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BRIAN PALMER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Bill Butler smiles and poses for a photographer, but at times like this, it doesn't come naturally. He was just about to go off-duty the morning of September 11.

BILL BUTLER, FIREFIGHTER: All of a sudden, there was a loud crash. And then smoke was coming up around the buildings here that block it. So we immediately knew that it had gone into the Trade Center.

PALMER: Butler and the firefighters of ladder company 6 sprinted into the North tower to rescue those trapped on the 80th floor.

BUTLER: We saw a shadow go over. And it was actually the second plane coming in to hit the second tower. And it was that point that my captain had come back and met up with us and said, "They're trying to kill us."

PALMER: As the streets outside were engulfed in fire, devastation and an erupting cloud of debris, people were fleeing the towers, filling the stairwells. As they headed down, Butler and ladder 6 kept going up the stairs of the North tower.

BUTLER: About every 10 floors, we would take a break. But all this while we're going up, we have people coming down. They were severely burned. And to a point where they had no clothes on. There were men taking their sport coats off, that were coming down, wrapping the women up, you know, so they would be -- you know, they could keep their privacy. And people were actually, you know, "Go get them, guys. God bless you guys. You're the best."

PALMER: When the other tower collapsed, the firefighters were ordered to evacuate, but they kept doing their job all the way down. On the 15th floor, Butler's job became helping an injured woman named Josephine to safety. She was exhausted already from hiking down 60 flights of stairs. They paused to encourage her.

BUTLER: So I said, "Do you have grandchildren?" And she said, "Yes, I do." And I said, "Well, Josephine," I said, "we need to get you out of here today and we need to get your -- your grandchildren want to see you at home tonight. We need to get your moving down these stairs."

PALMER: Then the north tower collapsed, miraculously around them, but not on top of them.

BUTLER: Her legs were weak. I mean, she was actually dipping down. I was carrying most of her weight probably.

PALMER: 11 of them were trapped in, but protected by a three story high pocket of mangled steel and crushed concrete.

BUTLER: We had no idea of the severity of the collapse at this point. We had no idea, you know, we're telling them that, you know, you come in the front door. You make a right. And our stairwells are like 50 to 100 feet away.

PALMER: Ladder 6 still didn't know the tower above them had disintegrated.

BUTLER: Well, at one point, the sun actually shined in. And it was this point that were able to see out. The smoke cleared. It was like the parting of the Red Sea.

PALMER: Butler called his wife from a fading cell phone.

BUTLER: I said, "Listen, don't cry right now." I said, "This is not the time to cry." And she kind of like bit her lip, I guess. And I said, "You need to make some phone calls for us."

PALMER: Those calls finally led rescuers to them almost five hours later. Butler can't explain why they survived, but the believe Josephine, the grandmother they had saved, had something to do with their survival.

BUTLER: Her pace just put us right in the right spot. I mean, had we been a little bit quicker, we may have been in the lobby and crushed in the lobby. Had we been a little bit slower, maybe we have still been on the 7th floor. And like I said, it only -- it collapsed below like the sixth floor.

Just so many different little factors took place that put us in that spot.

PALMER: One factor the firefighter leaves out gracefully, the courage that he and his men who were saved by a woman they were sent to rescue.

10 posted on 10/31/2006 2:16:53 PM PST by DrewsDad (...then I understood their final destiny -- Psalm 73:17b)
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To: presidio9
IMHO, there should certainly be something familiar preserved in its original location -- to provide a "point of orientation" -- as well as for memorial value.

As intimately familiar as I am with the structure of the office tower of the Murrah Federal Building, I am always disoriented when I visit the memorial. Why? Because nothing remains of the ill-fated building.

(Nowadays, I would almost need surveying equipment to locate the center of the crater, for example...)

15 posted on 10/31/2006 2:46:14 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: All; presidio9

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NEVER FORGET


The Man Who Predicted 9/11 =

9/11 Lifesaver RICK RESCORLA, ..R.I.P.

http://www.RickRescorla.com

http://www.RickRescorla.com/The%20Statue.htm

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361



Signed:.."ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer
A Co-Veteran of RICK RESCORLA's Battle of IA DRANG-1965

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm
(1st Picture - Where RICK RESCORLA walked in Vietnam, exactly, 40 years ago)

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17 posted on 11/01/2006 2:08:05 AM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com.)
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A final home for the The 21-foot-high, 350-thousand-pound staircase, which once connected an elevated plaza to a street north of the site, still isn't decided.

Where exactly was this staircase before WTC1 fell? Was it inside, and part of, the tower? Or was it a staircase under the plaza somewhere, by the crosswalk across Westside over to the World Financial Center that got flattened when WTC1 fell?

The tower fell all the way to bedrock and wrecked the basement structures underneath it. I can't imagine how the stairwell managed to remain in place, without following the rubble of the upper floors into the basement levels. Amazing. What was holding it up? The Atlantic Monthly serialization described two inverted cones of rubble that were huge at the plaza level, which they just about destroyed, and narrow at their apexes resting on bedrock.

24 posted on 11/01/2006 8:26:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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Thanks for the post.

I hadn't ever read this:

The most heart-wrenching discovery was that a silver object melted onto the cross' left side was the remains of a firefighter's jacket who died in the blast. Firefighters say the fire-resistant jacket turned silver and took on the look and consistency of metal when it encountered extreme heat and fire. Now, it is wrapped around the left arm of the cross.

Amazing.

"Greater love has no man than this, that a man gives up his life for his friends..." - John 15:13

65 posted on 11/01/2006 9:35:17 AM PST by EternalVigilance ("Don't be a Nancy Boy, Vote Republican!")
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