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To: metmom; AndrewC; RunningWolf

You guys might be interested... ;^)


19 posted on 10/31/2006 4:34:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Elsie; AndrewC; RunningWolf; unlearner; betty boop; little jeremiah

So what's this about evolution and evolutionists being neutral on morals? Creationists keep saying that there are moral consequences to evolution and they keep denying it, now here they are trying to say that morals are a result of evolution. I wonder what they'll come up with next; their own standards to measure right and wrong against? And who would decide that?


23 posted on 10/31/2006 6:09:15 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Elsie; metmom
Marc D. Hauser, a Harvard biologist, has built on this idea to propose that people are born with a moral grammar wired into their neural circuits by evolution. In a new book, “Moral Minds” (HarperCollins 2006), he argues that the grammar generates instant moral judgments which, in part because of the quick decisions that must be made in life-or-death situations, are inaccessible to the conscious mind.

Yeah, right....


Chimpanzee behavior

Cannibalism
During the four-year period from 1974 to 1978, ten infants were born into the study community at Gombe - only one survived. Five of them were killed and eaten by Passion and Pom, and it is likely that the other three met the same fate. The researchers wanted to find ways to prevent further attacks, yet once Passion and Pom gave birth themselves, the cannibalism stopped.

Jane's observation:
In 1971 one of our researchers, David Bygott, observed a brutal attack on a female of a neighboring community. She was set upon by a group of "our" males who hit her and stamped on her, one after the other. During the course of this assault, which lasted more than five minutes, her infant of about eighteen months was seized, killed, and partially eaten. The mother managed to escape but she was bleeding heavily and was so badly wounded that she probably died later. When David come back and described what he had seen we were stunned. We discussed it far into the night, eventually deciding that it must have been a one-time occurence, a bizarre aberration. After all, the ringleader was the alpha male Humphrey, whom most of us considered something of a psychopath at the best of times, with a history of vicious attacks on females of his own community. Humphrey, we felt, must have encouraged the others to behave in such an uncharacteristic way. Sadly, the "noble ape" was as mythical as the "noble savage…"

Humans also practice cannibalism and murder, therefore, those actions must must be moral. I think I will wait until we discover that other primates bury their dead with care before I would begin to consider them to have moral minds.

29 posted on 10/31/2006 6:33:53 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: Elsie; metmom; little jeremiah
Is there not a passage in the Bible about building your house on sand or something like that?

That is a metaphor to me as to what toe and anything that comes out of that ideology as. Something that is transitory ephemeral and ultimately false.

Yet another illusion 'Maya' as it would be called in the Hindu writings.
52 posted on 10/31/2006 4:33:41 PM PST by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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