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Missouri stem-cell debate gets the spotlight (Rush turned this one around)
Townhall.com ^ | Oct. 29, 2006 | Jonathan Garthwaite

Posted on 10/30/2006 10:25:37 AM PST by jmaroneps37

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To: Dave S
While Amendment 2 doesn't directly require Missourians fund ESC research, the language does say that "no state or local governmental body or official shall eliminate, reduce, deny, or withhold any public funds provided or eligible to be provided" (Section 5).

The key issue has two parts. "Funds provided" refers to any future funding that is granted. By operation of this amendment, once granted, these funds can never be reduced, denied or withheld by action of the Missouri legislature.

The second part of that provision, "or eligible to be provided," may be read so as to require any request to the legislature for funding ESC research MUST be approved.

This amendment is dangerous! To read it in its entirety, go to the Missouri Secretary of State's website:

www.sos.mo.gov/elections/2006petitions/ppStemCell.asp

41 posted on 10/30/2006 1:23:40 PM PST by Prov3456
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To: oblomov
LOL, temper temper....

So like Michael J. Fox, you admit you havent read the ammendment? LOL

42 posted on 10/30/2006 1:47:02 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Prov3456
The second part of that provision, "or eligible to be provided," may be read so as to require any request to the legislature for funding ESC research MUST be approved.

That is less likely than the mistake some are making in equating a bunch of cells with no sense of self as being the equvalent to a human being. Why not make it a capital crime to masterubate since the sperm is not being allowed to live on as a human being? Maybe that is the next step in right to life. Some in the right to life arena seem to have a fetish with eggs now.

43 posted on 10/30/2006 1:54:23 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Dave S

Is that implied by "LOL... temper temper"?

Actually Fox's ad was in regard to stem cell research, and was most relevant to the MO Senate race- not Missouri Amendment 2. The same ad was run in NJ and MD, where there are also competitive Senate races.

As I said, perhaps instead of attempting to influence voter behavior and generate public support for stem cell research, Fox should use his resources to privately fund these efforts.


44 posted on 10/30/2006 2:29:55 PM PST by oblomov (Join the FR Folding@Home Team (#36120) keyword: folding@home)
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To: Soul Seeker
But they had lied about what voters would be sanctioning with this vote. The statement is true, in the sense it implies deceit was going to pass easily without voters being aware they were writing cloning into their state constitution as a right.

John Danforth, former Missouri Senator, ordained Episcopal minister, the man who officiated at Ronald Reagan's funeral, and someone I have a tremendous amount of respect for, has come out in favor of Amendment 2. I cannot imagine a man of Danforth's integrity favoring it if it allowed for human cloning.

46 posted on 10/30/2006 3:05:49 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: MikeSkywalker210

If organs could be created in isolation, I would not have a problem with it. The problem is that using any technology that is remotely feasible in the forseeable future, these organs would have to be created by growing an entire body and killing it to harvest those organs.

I think you would agree with me that this is problematic.

The other big problem with human cloning, as evidenced with Dolly the Sheep, is that the cloned being is an inferior copy. Dolly the Sheep is long since dead, after a difficult life with multiple health problems. Should scientists (mad or otherwise) be permitted to create a human being that will be, inevitably, consigned to suffering and early death?


47 posted on 10/30/2006 3:06:20 PM PST by gridlock (The 'Pubbies will pick up at least TWO seats in the Senate and FOUR seats in the House in 2006)
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To: Non-Sequitur
I cannot imagine a man of Danforth's integrity favoring it if it allowed for human cloning.

Imagine it. It is in there. The amendment "specifically" bans cloning. Clinton parsing here, it defines specifically that cloning involves implanting fertilized eggs into a womb. By rewriting the definition of what cloning is, anything done outside the womb isn't cloning. Even if it IS.

48 posted on 10/30/2006 6:43:41 PM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Pancake on my Head")
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To: Big Giant Head
Imagine it. It is in there. The amendment "specifically" bans cloning. Clinton parsing here, it defines specifically that cloning involves implanting fertilized eggs into a womb. By rewriting the definition of what cloning is, anything done outside the womb isn't cloning. Even if it IS.

Did I mention that Danforth is also a lawyer? Not exactly one who would get snookered by fine print.

49 posted on 10/31/2006 3:37:27 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: jmaroneps37

This is good news. :) I'm glad Rush spotlighted this.


50 posted on 10/31/2006 3:41:39 AM PST by EmilyGeiger
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To: Non-Sequitur

Lawyer or not, this is cloning. If he doesn't understand that, maybe you're going to have to adjust your opinion of him. If you read the fine print, it's very clearly cloning. If a guy like me can read and understand it, Danforth ought to be able to as well.


51 posted on 10/31/2006 4:15:07 AM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant Pancake on my Head")
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To: MikeSkywalker210
but I'm not sure that I see much of a problem with cloning a healthy heart, for example, and using that to save a life.

You can't clone a piece of the body. It's all or nothing, at least at the present time.

When does life start?
Is it at conception? Is it when the embreyo is recognizable as a human? Is it when the fetus is born?
That is the cognizant question.

Good people can disagree on this.
My own view is that life starts at conception.

52 posted on 10/31/2006 7:33:34 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: txflake

They considered cloning me, but seeing as how I have the strength and power of ten men it was deemed too dangerous.


53 posted on 10/31/2006 7:59:15 AM PST by gura
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To: Big Giant Head

I heard Danforth's own Pastor come out against this


54 posted on 11/06/2006 12:30:34 AM PST by Ymani Cricket
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